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What role does the Ivermectin play?
This is what Rudy stated he had and he’s basically fine now. Saw him on Bannon’s show.
Most challenging health crisis of our generation, and our medical community has failed us. Embarrassing. FIX IT!
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It works. Which is they the NIH, FDA and other “organs” including Facebook are trying to stop it from being used.
We knew this in March, right?
It was so important to scare people into their homes and masked for a sleazy vote fraud opportunity. Meanwhile precious Americans died.
Numerous foreign countries have been aware of Ivermectin for almost a year. Why has the American FDA and CDC not been aware of this treatment and saved thousands of lives?????? Something is very wrong with the American Health System and the people running it.
If you want to take it, knowing we don't know the side effects of the medication in people with COVID-19 and are hoping it's just the side effects we see when used as an anti parasitic agent, that is fine by me. I also believe that would be a reasonable assumption in light of what we are facing with COVID-19 and the lack of therapies for the disease.
With that out of the way I have yet to find a good study that would lead me to believe that Ivermectin is an effective prophylactic. The phase 3 vaccine trials show the problem. The placebo arm in one of those trials had approx. 15,000 people in it. They only had 95 people come down with the disease in that arm. So we will likely never know if Ivermectin is a good prophylactic as too few people get the disease in any given short timeframe (a few months).
For treatment there have been some small studies done outside Europe/US/Canada. It's enough to want to try it if I came down with COVID-19, its enough to want to put together a US trial of the medication. But it is no where near the glowing report given by the Doctor above. I get that he is trying to stir up some enthusiasm to make the drug more readily available for use and to drum up some money so it can be studied further.
Ivermectin is about where Hydroxychloroquine was 6 - 9 months ago. While I was very hopeful for HCQ only one US study found an effect vs. 3 or 4 studies showing no effect or no effect with unwanted side effects.
Think about remdesevir it initially was thought to be promising but the latest data found no mortality benefit. The hospital near me just dropped it from its recommended protocol. This is for a 'new' drug with a lot of money behind it.
There are problems for Ivermectin when we study it. The current dosing 0.2mg/kg is the standard dosing of the medication for its usual purposes. If you extrapolate from in vitro studies showing SARS-CoV-2 killing properties you find that it is significantly under dosed at concentrations found in lung tissue. See:
The Approved Dose of Ivermectin Alone is not the Ideal Dose for the Treatment of COVID-19 Authors: Virginia D. Schmith, PhD et al.
What about regular antihistamines? It turns out they are beneficial too:
Dual-histamine receptor blockade with cetirizine - famotidine reduces pulmonary symptoms in COVID-19 patients
in vitro research of University of Florida and accompanying patient records search of University of California patients provides evidence that H1 antihistamines (Benadryl, atarax) seem to prevent infection:
Identification of antiviral antihistamines for COVID-19 repurposing
If you are deficient to begin with, it takes time to get to normal levels of Vitamin D. Many diseases where vitamin D deficiency plays a role, studies find no benefit to Vitamin D supplements. However, if you can't keep a regular appointment with getting some sunlight, what choice do you have but to use supplements?
My own suspicion is that we will not find a good study about Vitamin D. Mainly because it can take months to get your vitamin D stores where they belong. You don't want to be deficient and if you can't get regular sunlight you have no choice but to use a vitamin D supplement.
The following study abstract highlights the issue:
Vitamin D deficiency aggravates COVID-19: systematic review and meta-analysis
This abstract shows that having proper vitamin D levels won't prevent COVID-19, but if you are deficient you are likely to have a worse outcome. Now does Vitamin D supplementation help you or are people with normal levels of Vitamin D (without trying very hard) just in better health? We don't know and short of finding these people and doing everything that they do, again, what choice do you have but to take Vitamin D supplements.
selenium - follows the same lines as zinc, vitamin D deficiency
quercitin - clinical trial proposed along with vitamin C
resveratrol - showed some in vitro activity against MERs
curcumin - due to its anti-inflammatory effects
thiamine - had shown some promise in sepsis in some studies
EGCG - green tea is good for everything
fish oil - anti-inflammatory effects, blood thinning effects
vitamin A - also an immune modulator, can be toxic if too much is taken
vitamin E - helpful in vitamin C metabolism, blood thinning effects, mixed tocopherols are the best form to take in general
Most of these have very little in research as it relates to COVID-19. Most are good for you for reasons other than COVID-19. Some you can get in a good health food store brand of multi-vitamin (preferred form). Some you can only get as individual supplements which gets expensive if you try to take all of them
Some studies that mention some of the above substances as potential therapies to consider:
Strategies for Targeting SARS CoV-2: Small Molecule Inhibitors—The Current Status
Candidate drugs against SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19
So given the fact that you can't even get Ivermectin for what it is approved for, can you blame doctors for not giving it to you when you have a disease that you might die from? Not to mention what if having COVID-19 makes you more susceptible to the serious side effects of Ivermectin like Steven-Johnson syndrome or hepatitis? A study of 79 patients in Bangladesh is not going to make many doctors jump outside of the current standard of care.
Ivermectin has been talked about early on in this pandemic. I believe there is a US trial going on to determine its usefulness. I see people touting in vitro studies as if they prove the effectiveness of a drug. Studies in rats aren't much better. They may help to sift through which compounds to study but they are a far way off from being proven effective. Small human trials are better they give hope that a larger trial will be successful. But until a larger clinical trial at an institution in the United States/EU/Canada is done you are way off the mark to say Ivermectin is effective against COVID-19.
Should you be able to take Ivermectin if you come down with COVID-19, absolutely with the informed knowledge that you are experimenting on yourself and you may risk death or adverse side effects of the drug. It would be nice if you could sign a form releasing the doctor from liability if you take it. But that is not the present state of medicine in the US right now.
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Thanks for this. More reading to do!