[Safrguns]

>>> Stop it We have to discuss this. At a minimum a new nation of red states will have at least 200 million people More than enough to defend itself.

You can discuss it all you want... but the discussion cannot be based in reality.

Warm bodies a defense does not make.

Fact is China wants our land, and is about to get it.

Secession would just make that job for them much easier.

[central_va]

There is ONE factory that makes tanks? Do you know which state that is in? If Texas ask for volunteers to form a provisional army 10 million would volunteer over night.

The status quo is not a viable option.