Posted on 12/06/2020 3:28:03 PM PST by dayglored
Now that is an ad hominem attack. I see that you can learn! Good for you!
Now please spit Bill Gate's baby maker out of your cock holster and explain to me why frequent updates are good and why 'Patch Tuesday' shouldn't be a day off of work.
Spot on.
If you have an iPhone or an Android device, you’re updating apps on your phone sometimes daily. Microsoft can do no right by most admins. They got a bad rap for their shitty kernel pre-Vista. They fix the kernel, completely rebuilding it from the ground up, but everyone hates it because the kernel is hardened. Then they completely redesign their development process into what we now call DevOps, focusing on security through every step of the process, and now because they push security updates once a month, they’re a terrible OS?
In every enterprise IT department in every company larger than a mom and pop around the world, Windows AND LINUX admins are (or should be) patching their machines. Windows is not unique. Windows 10, Windows Server, Office... they’re all patched to keep them secure. Red Hat, CentOS, SUSE, Oracle... they’re all patched to keep them secure.
Your argument that Windows 10 is inferior because they patch monthly is absurd. Windows, MacOS, iOS, Linux, Hell even Cisco hardware has a regular patch cadence. If you think Windows is the only operating system patched regularly, you’re either blissfully ignorant or have a very specific vendetta against Microsoft.
Thank you for the tacit admission that MS Windows 10 security has more holes than a sponge.
On the following Windows forum post 1904 people state that "I have the same question" to "Why is Windows 10 so bad?" and the Microsoft has locked the thread: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance-winpc/why-is-windows-10-so-bad/10dedebe-6be7-41a1-ac98-86adfba68205
I wonder why? Could it be that MS Windows 10 sucks so hard that it blows?
In reply to your previous question, no, I do not work for Amazon, and I really do not like Apple, I have been in I tea for 27 years working in corporate IT as an ERP consultant so I have no skin in the game other than to be pissed off at how bad MS Windows 10 sucks.
I love working with people like you. I genuinely enjoy it.
The Hacker News, Dark Reading, International Association of Privacy Professionals, and ThreatPost rate Microsoft's current OS as top box. Microsoft is in Gartner's magic quadrant for security, outpacing Amazon and Google. Microsoft spends well north of US$1B on security. They are arguably the leader in security across all of IT.
Your entire argument is that because Microsoft patches their operating systems, they're natively insecure, and that speaks directly to your ignorance and outright disdain for the Windows OS. The fact that you're focused on Windows 10 tells me that you're not involved in security. Linux patches their kernels monthly for many of the same vulnerabilities, because the vulnerabilities are specific to a common protocol, not a specific OS. As an example, SMB was patched by Microsoft several times in the last year, but that patching also extended to Linux and Apple devices for the same reason.
You're also arguing from the perspective that more frequent patching is inconvenient and means something's natively wrong, so what you're really saying is that you're content with your operating system vendor just sitting on in-the-wild vulnerabilities so as to not inconvenience you. Thus, you'd prefer longer-term patching that could patch a much larger set of dependent subsystems, likely resulting in bigger problems and requiring extended troubleshooting in order to unravel a Gordian knot of stack faults, debug logs, and/or memory dumps. No thanks! I'll take the fail fast and recover methodology.
27 years working in the IT industry has tainted you. Your legacy mindset is clouding your understanding of the needs of modern security. I've worked with people in government like you. Wrenching your mainframe or Oracle or (shudder) Novell subsystems from your control is like trying to take a steak from a rottweiler. Sit in your corner and enjoy that steak. The rest of us take solace in the fact that our operating systems are natively secure from intrusion because we trust that our vendor is keeping the kernel up-to-date.
Talk about a much-maligned and much-unloved software product...
Bob and Clippy. What a weird pair. Bob was a nerd, and Clippy, well the less said, the better.
And now Cortana. At least she has a nicer pair.
I hope you enjoy cashing your checks from Microsoft.
Not only have I recently worked with the latest Microsoft products building software using Python working with edge-node databases for big data applications I have developed applications in augmented reality for the Hololens. I have also helped sell SAP software to Microsoft itself to the tune of $50 million back in 2005-2006. I know what I am talking about.
I thoroughly enjoyed slapping down rabid Microsoft execs in charge of their craptastic ERP offerings like Great Plains and Microsoft CRM because they could not handle the transaction volumes of their Enterprise Application Software licensing business. I made my bones by telling them politely to phuck off to face.
Since long before Microsoft and Apple and even Linux discovered security patches, I have worked with NetBSD UNIX (we're talking since the early-mid-90's here). NetBSD UNIX is arguably the MOST SECURE operating system in common workstation and server use. And it runs on everything, but that's beside the point.
You know what? NetBSD gets patched often, just like Windows, just like MacOS, just like Linux, etc. And NetBSD.org produces a near-constant stream of PkgSrc package updates with bug fixes, security fixes, features, etc. You know what else, they LIST EVERY PATCHED AND UNPATCHED VULNERABILITY so that you knew exactly what was going on. Here's the package list of over 17,400 packages. And for every one, you knew exactly what the fixes -- and the problems -- are. You can look it up.
So please, guys, don't argue about the Deep Hidden Meaning of security updates. Everything needs patches. Constantly. Lighten up.
These days Windows is in pretty great shape, security-wise, and its continued dominance on the desktop speaks to its high degree of utility. IMO, its downsides stem from two other long-standing problems: a) 25 years of using a kernel that got screwed over when it was just a baby and became nearly impossible to maintain, and b) a Marketing department that can't get its head out of its ass to save itself. Those are both fixable, although they would be wrenching changes. But I digress...
Perhaps I wouldn’t have such a bad opinion of Microsoft updates if they didn’t break two things for every one thing they fixed.
I agree that Windows Updates have a deservedly bad reputation for breaking things.
But consider how many Windows computers are out there, all the different configurations, and the total impossibility of testing every one.
So they test what they can. Most times, the breakage is limited to a few percent or less -- but that's still millions of computers.
The big breakages, where they really screwed the pooch, are indeed notable. But fortunately they're fairly rare.
Indeed there are. Quite a few on FR.
But I hope for your own sake that you do as I do with my Win7 machines -- only connect them to the internet briefly to get updates for Defender and the monthly Malicious Software Removal tool. Those are the only updates still available for Win7, but they're worth it.
Other than that, connecting to the internet to do email and browse modern websites with Win7 is like skating naked on thin ice. You have to maintain an extreme level of situational awareness and a high level of paranoia. Because if you accidentally click a bad link, or get fooled into downloading the wrong application, you are screwed.
The good news: If you run Win7 in a VM, and keep regular backup copies of the VM disk, you can "roll back" almost instantly when something goes south.
I just recently (a week or two) have been getting e-mails from Cortana at work. At first, I just deleted them thinking it was SPAM. The other day I received one and took a look at it. It referenced a meeting I had later that day that was previously ascheduled in my Outlook calendar and provided me with links to several file (.pdf, word, Excel) I had saved previously that "may" relate to the meeting and be helpful to have handy.
Yikes!
When I’m thinking about opening a digital art program, and Zappo, it opens, that’s when the cursed computer goes to the dump but AFTER an exorcism
like someone said “I’ll call it a “Smart Phone” When i Yell “Where’s my Phone” and it yells back to me “Down here in-between the couch cushions!”
Office 2021 coming out 3 quarter of next year that will be a one time purchase instead of you having to rent.
You can of course get a FREE Office suite called LibreOffice and save your files as microsoft docs.
https://www.libreoffice.org
I’ll be using Windows 7 until new hardware is no longer unofficially supported, and it’s new hardware I need. I’ll otherwise buy new old stock.
Check Newegg for Win 7 refurbished machines.
I build my own. Newegg still charges MSRP for hardware that’s years old.
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