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‘No amount of money makes up for that’: Placer County to pay $10M after shooting, paralyzing father vacationing with his son
KTLA ^

Posted on 12/02/2020 8:32:06 AM PST by BenLurkin

Kolb and his son traveled from their home in San Mateo for a ski trip in Lake Tahoe and were staying at a cabin ... when Kolb woke up before dawn and began pacing around the cabin. He woke up his then 16-year-old son and asked him to get medical help...

Kolb’s son called 911 and reported his father was acting odd and was “in a dream-like state,” according to court documents. He told the dispatcher his father had a history of temporal lobe epilepsy and that they had smoked marijuana together before going to bed. Temporal lobe epilepsy can cause people to feel a sudden sense of fear or anxiety, anger or sadness, though a lawsuit filed by Kaye says Kolb had not had a similar incident in about 15 years.

Kolb’s son “...simply requested medical help as he observed his father suffering from a mental health episode,” Kaye said in court documents.

When Placer County Deputy Curtis Honeycutt arrived, he found Kolb and his son standing outside the cabin in the cold. Kolb was only wearing a short-sleeved shirt and pajama bottoms and Honeycutt instructed them to go back inside instead of securing Kolb in the back of the patrol car to await mental health intervention, the lawsuit said.

Once inside, Kolb grabbed a carving fork.... Honeycutt began “repeatedly, unreasonably and unjustifiably discharging his office issued firearm,” shattering one of Kolb’s vertebrae, the lawsuit said.

After the incident, the Placer County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement posted on its Facebook page that Honeycutt believed his life was in danger after Kolb stabbed him with a sharp instrument. His bulletproof vest protected him from injury but when Kolb tried to stab him a second time, the deputy used his service weapon to end the attack, the department said.

(Excerpt) Read more at ktla.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: bbqskewer; cannabis; marijuana; pot; stabbing; wod
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To: Sans-Culotte

my neighbor took his son camping and introduced him to dope smoking. The kid went on to other dangerous drugs.


21 posted on 12/02/2020 9:32:03 AM PST by ronniesgal ( no fool like an old fool!)
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To: BenLurkin
*instead of securing Kolb in the back of the patrol car*

According to the Epilepsy Foundation, TLS seizures are usually over in a few minutes. That leaves marijuana-induced schizophrenia on the table. Why did the stoner son have daddy in short sleeves outside in the cold and expecting the officer to roll up and throw daddy in a cage without question one? Cops aren't uber drivers.

What was the son's problem that he was unwilling to drive his own blood needing mental health intervention to the ER? (or, especially in Tahoe, bundle them up and walk it off - then go to the ER). It's not like Tahoe doesn't have 24-hr hospitals. Daddy's acting strange after getting stoned so it's not the son's responsibility? And they're the victims? I don't get it.

22 posted on 12/02/2020 9:36:30 AM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: BenLurkin
I got this from reading the article:

forensic evidence showed the deputy’s vest had no signs of a stabbing, Kolb said.

23 posted on 12/02/2020 9:38:28 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: BenLurkin

“”They also secretly recorded him while he spoke on his cellphone with family members to obtain incriminating information against his father, the lawsuit alleged.””

He spoke with family members to get information against his father? The writer should be in jail!!!!


24 posted on 12/02/2020 9:45:25 AM PST by Thank You Rush ( )
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To: mac_truck
Alcohol use frequently precedes breaks with reality - I have personally experienced it; what ought our public policy response be?
25 posted on 12/02/2020 9:54:11 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Sequoyah101
It’s medicinal and I can’t live without it.

Marijuana does have medicinal properties; the use in this case was recreational.

It’s recreational and does not hurt anyone.

Those with pre-existing mental conditions ought not use any recreational drug, including alcohol; what's the proper conclusion for governmental policy?

26 posted on 12/02/2020 9:57:46 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: blueplum
Why did the stoner son have daddy in short sleeves outside in the cold and expecting the officer to roll up and throw daddy in a cage without question one? Cops aren't uber drivers.

What was the son's problem that he was unwilling to drive his own blood needing mental health intervention to the ER?

His son was 16 at the time.

27 posted on 12/02/2020 10:00:12 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: CurlyDave

Thanks for the clarification. I just read the excerpt (obviously). I hate it when people don’t read the articles and blurt out uninformed statements!


28 posted on 12/02/2020 10:03:11 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom ("Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" -- David Horowitz)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Kolb is the plaintiff’s lawyer, and he may or may not be telling it like it is.


29 posted on 12/02/2020 10:35:48 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

When my boys turned 21 they asked me to go out for a drink with them. I refused.

I had quit drinking the day my wife told me she was pregnant. I stopped on the way home to give my best friend the happy news. He fixed us a nice scotch. I had the one drink and went home.
Never drank again.
My kids never saw me with alcohol or smelled it on me.

I just don’t understand parents these days.


30 posted on 12/02/2020 10:40:22 AM PST by oldvirginian (Behind enemy lines in the Old Dominion)
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To: BenLurkin; Hot Tabasco
Kolb is the plaintiff’s lawyer, and he may or may not be telling it like it is.

Here's what the sheriff’s office says:

'Angela Musallam, a spokeswoman for the Placer County Sheriff’s Office, said Tuesday that the sheriff’s office “does not have anything further to say about Mr. Kolb’s case.”'

31 posted on 12/02/2020 10:47:35 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: BenLurkin

From the original reports it was a long BBQ skewer that he attempted to use on the cop. A BBQ skewer would be too blunt to cut a shirt or vest, but could be plunged deep into bare flesh. Not to mention that someone wearing a bulletproof vest would not be able to feel the difference between being struck by a sharp blade and being struck by a skewer and would have to assume the other guy was trying to inflict damage and could have a knife capable of doing it, and if there was wrestling the cop would have to do whatever was neccessary to insure his weapons were secure from being grabbed and used against him or others.

I’d like to know what the son’s testimony was before blaming the cop, even though the son was high. Was there a struggle of any kind? If not, why did the cop pull the weapon out? When did the son see the weapon come out? What was his dad doing and where when the gun came out?

If there was a struggle, I would have to side with the cop. If there was no struggle, I would want to hear the explanation for the escalation.


32 posted on 12/02/2020 11:09:05 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: oldvirginian

Ditto. Never saw my WWII pilot father ever take a drink and neither has my son seen the same from me. I took Dad’s action as setting the example you want others to follow and follow for a good reason.


33 posted on 12/02/2020 11:17:02 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (I have a burning hatred of anyone who would vote for a demented, pedophile, crook and a commie whore)
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To: NobleFree
This story is another example of casual marijuana use triggering a mental illness in someone. The fact the user was 60 when he suffered his breakdown may be of significance (mental breaks are usually associated with much younger people), as would the regularity of his prior use and the potency of the drug he ingested.

Anecdotes about alcohol abuse aren't relevant to a discussion about marijuana and mental illness.

34 posted on 12/02/2020 11:33:12 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Sequoyah101

Yep. Kids are great at imitating the behavior of their parents, the primary influences in their lives.
My dad never drank around me and I never drank around my kids. Both boys have tried it but didn’t get past the social drinker stage.


35 posted on 12/02/2020 12:16:27 PM PST by oldvirginian (Behind enemy lines in the Old Dominion)
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To: mac_truck
Anecdotes about alcohol abuse aren't relevant to a discussion about marijuana and mental illness.

True *IF* one doesn't plan to conclude from marijuana use sometimes triggering breaks from reality that marijuana ought to be illegal. If you're not so planning, I withdraw my observations (which were no more anecdotal than this article, btw).

36 posted on 12/02/2020 12:43:16 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree
Lol...I could argue that pot smokers should be drawn and quartered and it wouldn't make your appeal to hypocrisy any less of a logical fallacy.
37 posted on 12/02/2020 2:59:11 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck
appeal to hypocrisy

Doesn't apply as I haven't mentioned or even alluded to your personal behavior.

38 posted on 12/02/2020 3:28:10 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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