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When Is Enough Pandering Really Enough?
Chronicles Magazine editorial ^ | October 2020 | Paul Gottfried

Posted on 09/30/2020 6:15:37 PM PDT by Pelham

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To: a fool in paradise

“1947 Democrat Klansman on the Supreme Court hands down anti-Catholic decision against parochial schools”

All by himself? I guess lone Justices must have been more powerful in 1947, today all nine have to cast a vote.

There’s nothing more satisfying than post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning. Unless it’s correlation equals causation.


21 posted on 09/30/2020 8:56:39 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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Paul Gottfied is 80 years old. He’s not on a campus. And being a paleocon he can hardly be blamed for what colleges taught when he was there.

Where do the 'ideas' spring from ... most especially when he is describing 'college' educated... I remember after Obama was elected hissy Matthews spewing out that Obama received the majority vote of college educated under 40... Well, as it is Written there is nothing new under the sun ... somebody taught/preached an ideology to those that gained leadership. Education is one of those pinnacles of a civilized society ... and through my life time the left have nearly monopolized what gets taught from k- post graduate ... How did that happen?

22 posted on 09/30/2020 8:57:06 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Feel free to point out a falsehood or two. You’re a big reader of history are you?


23 posted on 09/30/2020 9:01:50 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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To: Just mythoughts

He’s no more responsible for what colleges have been teaching that Russell Kirk was. Conservatives were a tiny minority on colleges, they weren’t running them.


24 posted on 09/30/2020 9:04:43 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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I may be wrong that he is a leftist turd at worst, but his is pretty obviously a Never-Trumper at best.

I am going to take the word of people like Larry Elder with his eight books and Thomas Sowell’s 30 plus books and even the novice Candace Owen’s single book on this subject.

They are spot on, and have the bonifides to back it up. This guy doesn’t like Trump, that is plain, and if so, at this time, I don’t have much use for him.

Just my opinion, you may feel differently.


25 posted on 09/30/2020 9:07:14 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Leftism is the plaything of a society with too much time on its hands." - Candace Owens)
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To: Pelham

Bookmark.


26 posted on 09/30/2020 9:12:21 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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He’s no more responsible for what colleges have been teaching that Russell Kirk was. Conservatives were a tiny minority on colleges, they weren’t running them.

Who allowed, who planted, who is 'responsible' for the near destruction of our education system ... a 'history'? Is it that 'conservatives' are lazy, or blind or what exactly was the point in our history that allowed the Marxists to control education.

27 posted on 09/30/2020 9:15:19 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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That is one of the most grievous mistakes in our country’s history, that we surrendered three important areas to the Left: Education, Entertainment, and Media.

The Right never had a plan, and we made the critical mistake of assuming the Left didn’t have a plan either.

As a result, we didn’t realize the danger until after at least a half century head start, and have been trying to play catch-up even after we have begun to reap the results of that most bitter harvest.


28 posted on 09/30/2020 9:24:03 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Leftism is the plaything of a society with too much time on its hands." - Candace Owens)
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To: Just mythoughts

Tell us when conservatives were ever in control of colleges. You’re blaming them for something that they had no power over.


29 posted on 09/30/2020 10:52:10 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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“but his is pretty obviously a Never-Trumper at best.”

If you are going to be wrong, you might as well be wrong all the way.

Gottfried and his good friend Sam Francis were calling for an America first populism for years, and Trump is the real world expression of their writing. They were voices in the wilderness battling the neoconservative globalism that had taken over the GOP after Reagan left office. They were Trump before there was a Trump. There is little doubt that Trump was influenced by them, Francis in particular.


30 posted on 09/30/2020 11:17:07 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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“I am going to take the word of people like Larry Elder with his eight books and Thomas Sowell’s 30 plus books and even the novice Candace Owen’s single book on this subject.”

Sowell is the only scholar among the three. His specialty is economics, 21 of his books being on the subject. I don’t know of any book of his that deals with the same subject matter as Gottfried. He did write an excellent book on Marxism, which once was a great interest of his.

Larry Elder is a libertarian lawyer whom Dennis Prager took under his wing. Fine if you like libertarian thought. He’s not a historian and relying on him to be one is like relying on any other talk show host.

Candace Owens is too young to know much of anything that happened before Bush junior. She repeated some nonsense about Lyndon Johnson which anyone who actually remembers LBJ would have recognized as idiocy. She’s not stupid but some of her sources certainly are.


31 posted on 09/30/2020 11:58:52 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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On the party that is the party of racism and slavery, this “academic” is wrong. I guess it is his ox that is gored, that of the “Southern Man” he feels is being slighted in some way.

The truth hurts.

Some more than others.


32 posted on 10/01/2020 3:17:51 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Leftism is the plaything of a society with too much time on its hands." - Candace Owens)
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Fan of Democrats and apologist for the klan?

Dennis Prager and others are to be reviled?

What a joke.


33 posted on 10/01/2020 6:52:48 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019)l)
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https://nationalpost.com/opinion/paul-gottfried-dont-call-me-the-godfather-of-those-alt-right-neo-nazis-im-jewish Paul Gottfried: Don’t call me the ‘godfather’ of those alt-right neo-Nazis. I’m Jewish Richard Spencer might use my work, but my differences with him are a matter of public record

Author of the article:Special to National Post Publishing date:Apr 17, 2018 • Last Updated 2 years ago

Fulford writes that I was “one of those few intellectuals who support Donald Trump.” Indeed, I may have been launched into cosmic significance by that monster. It is true that I once thought that Trump represented a break with the American uni-party consensus and its disastrous policies. I’m not sure about that anymore.

34 posted on 10/01/2020 7:02:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019)l)
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Disappointing cynicism by Chronicles, a publication for politically conservative, intellectual Catholics .
35 posted on 10/01/2020 7:39:35 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." --Donald Trump)
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Tell us when conservatives were ever in control of colleges. You’re blaming them for something that they had no power over

Citizens and State legislatures are supposed to have some degree of control, or at least push-back, over the State universities their tax dollars are supporting. Obviously they did not exercise control when the warning signs became apparent back in the 60s and onward.

36 posted on 10/01/2020 7:49:04 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." --Donald Trump)
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“Citizens and State legislatures are supposed to have some degree of control”

That would at most be spending and only for state schools. Private universities are culturally no different. The public and elected officials have no influence over them.


37 posted on 10/01/2020 5:52:54 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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To: Albion Wilde

Gottfried is being realistic in appraising what he sees. It’s not cynicism.


38 posted on 10/01/2020 5:54:25 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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To: a fool in paradise

You lack reading comprehension.


39 posted on 10/01/2020 5:55:46 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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To: rlmorel

“On the party that is the party of racism and slavery”

That’s a popular line among the historically illiterate, useful for it’s political convenience. And it works because most people have a cartoonish idea of American history.


40 posted on 10/01/2020 6:05:56 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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