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Raised from the depths of the Black Sea: Russian scuba divers complete year long mission to recover Second World War-era Bell P-39 Airacobra that crashed in 1943
UK Daily Mail ^ | September 25, 2020 | Raven Saunt

Posted on 09/25/2020 9:01:24 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: C19fan; Zhang Fei

The Army Air Corps/Army Air Force decision to eliminate the turbo supercharger from the engine “doomed” the P-39 as a high altitude fighter. That gave it a disadvantage of being able to get above Japanese Zero’s and bombers that were being used against Port Moresby, New Guinea, that came across the Owen-Stanley Mountains at high altitude. It was discovered its maneuverability was good at low altitudes against a Zero, whenever it had a chance to get at them below 10,000 feet.

As with the Soviets, it came into its own on Guadalcanal as a low altitude ground support (aka close air support) fighter-bomber and on other South Pacific islands until it was withdrawn from combat.
The USAAF squadrons that flew it in North Africa also focused on close air support.

Depending upon the model, it had either a 20mm or 37mm cannon firing through the engine hub as well as a pair of .50 cals firing through the propeller and 2 x .30 cal mgs in each wing.


21 posted on 09/25/2020 10:04:49 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Zhang Fei
Yeah, I remember a little limerick from Chuck Yeager's autobiography about the P39.

Something like:

Don't give me a P39
With an engine mounted behind
It'll tumble and roll,
and dig a big hole –
don't give me a P-39.

22 posted on 09/25/2020 10:11:10 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (But what do I know? I'm just a backwoods engineer.)
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To: blueunicorn6

“Uncle Joe” did the same thing with the masses sent to the Gulag.

Many of them were worked to death in the Kolyma goldfields, again to raise foreign cash to fund his industrialization program.


23 posted on 09/25/2020 10:19:59 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress")
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To: M1903A1

Yep.

Ain’t socialism great?


24 posted on 09/25/2020 10:25:41 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: blueunicorn6

[I think that an important part of Soviet strategy was to just put out a lot of targets and try to overwhelm the Nazis or make them run out of ammunition.]


Superior numbers have always been an advantage in war, all other things being equal. Even when all other things weren’t equal, superior numbers made up for *some* weaknesses in other areas. And when those numbers were lopsided enough in one party’s favor, it was occasionally enough to secure victory for that party. Only occasionally because larger numbers also have to be trained, fed and supplied with weaponry, the provision of which doesn’t always materialize.


25 posted on 09/25/2020 10:30:01 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: The Free Engineer

“Russians liked it in an anti-tank role.”

They deny that, claiming it was a bad interpretation. I don’t think the type of ammo was designed for that.

Apparently, Busting a tank from the air was very difficult. Finding it was hard and hitting it was even harder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-39_Airacobra
We also sent the P-63 KingCobra to the Soviets which is an even better story


26 posted on 09/25/2020 10:35:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: C19fan
The Russians made good use out of what they had at hand. They turned a hopeless situation around and kicked Nazi butt. The Russians even made great use of Polikarpov Po-2 biplanes, with female pilots known as "the Night Witches". They struck terror into Nazi soldiers when under cover of darkness, they cut their engines and glided in silently for the kill.
 
27 posted on 09/25/2020 10:45:07 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O thou great redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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To: C19fan

From what I read, the earlier versions of the P51 were dogs too.


28 posted on 09/25/2020 10:46:12 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A Man Hears What He Wants to Hear and Disregards the Rest)
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To: DesertRhino

Interesting side note: On Guadalcanal land-based F4F Wildcats flew top-cover for the P-39’s on a lot of anti-shipping strikes. The Wildcat HAD a 2-stage mechanical supercharger and so had some capability at altitude that the Airacobra lacked. But the Airacobra had that 37MM cannon in the nose that could tear through an invasion barge like nothing else. So the Navy pilots got to ‘entertain’ the Zeros while the P-39’s got down in the weeds with the enemy infantry.


29 posted on 09/25/2020 11:03:08 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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“From what I read, the earlier versions of the P51 were dogs too.”

The Allison was a decent engine that lacked for a 2-stage, 2-speed mechanical supercharger like the Brits eventually packaged into their Merlin-equipped Spits. Stanley Hooker was able to keep the Merlin one-step-ahead of the German Luftwaffe by shoving higher & higher octane (American) aviation fuel into the Merlin at ever greater manifold pressures.

The US Army Air Corps is lucky they even had the single-state Allison. That was developed privately by a division of General Motors without any government development contract. They might have rushed an improved Allison, but why bother if Packard could be persuaded to build license copies of the Merlin to support both the USAF and the RAF?


30 posted on 09/25/2020 11:11:46 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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To: DesertRhino

In Soviet service, the P-39 also benefitted from liquid cooling that better retained heat so as to be able to start easier during the winter.


31 posted on 09/25/2020 11:29:29 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Tallguy

Yes. In the Solomons, the Japanese troops had a well founded fear of being attacked by P-39s.

It may not have been the best performing plane in an air to air role of any kind, but in the hands of a desperate and determined pilot who was flying the only plane he could get his hands on, our men made good use of it on Guadalcanal against shipping and Japanese ground troops.


32 posted on 09/25/2020 1:16:18 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies"- George Orwell)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

[The Russians even made great use of Polikarpov Po-2 biplanes, with female pilots known as “the Night Witches”. They struck terror into Nazi soldiers when under cover of darkness, they cut their engines and glided in silently for the kill.]


From my recollection of Max Hastings’ The Korean War, which I read decades ago, these “sewing machines” gave a good account of themselves in action against UN forces during night raids. I’d bet, however, that flying these antiques at night was no picnic for the North Korean/Russian pilots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polikarpov_Po-2#Operational_history
[North Korean forces used the Po-2 in a similar role during the Korean War. A significant number of Po-2s were fielded by the Korean People’s Air Force, inflicting serious damage during night raids on United Nations bases.[11] During one such attack, a lone Po-2 attacked Pyongyang airfield in northwestern Korea. Concentrating on the 8th Fighter-Bomber Group’s parking ramp, the Po-2 dropped a string of fragmentation bombs squarely across the group’s lineup of P-51 Mustangs. Eleven Mustangs were damaged, three so badly that they were destroyed when Pyongyang was abandoned several days later.

On 17 June 1951, at 01:30 hours, Suwon Air Base was bombed by two Po-2s. Each biplane dropped a pair of fragmentation bombs. One scored a hit on the 802nd Engineer Aviation Battalion’s motor pool, damaging some equipment. Two bombs burst on the flightline of the 335th Fighter Interceptor Squadron. One F-86A Sabre (FU-334 / 49-1334) was struck on the wing and began burning. The fire took hold, gutting the aircraft. Prompt action by personnel who moved aircraft away from the burning Sabre prevented further loss. Eight other Sabres were damaged in the brief attack, four seriously. One F-86 pilot was among the wounded. The North Koreans subsequently credited Lt. La Woon Yung with this damaging attack.[12]

UN forces named the Po-2’s nighttime appearance Bedcheck Charlie and had great difficulty in shooting it down – even though night fighters had radar as standard equipment in the 1950s. The wood-and-fabric material of the Po-2 had only a small radar cross-section, making it hard for an opposing fighter pilot to acquire his target. As Korean war U.S. veteran Leo Fournier remarked about “Bedcheck Charlie” in his memoirs: “... no one could get at him. He just flew too low and too slow.” On 16 June 1953, a USMC AD-4 from VMC-1 piloted by Major George H. Linnemeier and CWO Vernon S. Kramer shot down a Soviet-built Polikarpov Po-2 biplane, the only documented Skyraider air victory of the war. The Po-2 is also the only biplane credited with a documented jet-kill, as one Lockheed F-94 Starfire was lost while slowing down to 161 km/h (100 mph) – below its stall speed – during an intercept in order to engage the low flying Po-2.[13] ]


An aircraft can be a piece of crap or obsolete and still be useful in very circumscribed circumstances.


33 posted on 09/25/2020 2:42:24 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Wow. Great story. I didn't realize they were used in Korea. Thanks for posting.

Sometimes it's a pilot's skill and daring that wins the day, not necessarily the hardware. You might have heard that old expression, "It's not the pen you use, it's how you sign your name."

I've read many accounts of the daring of the Russian pilots on the Eastern Front, yes even with P-39s, which they didn't mind flying at all.
 

34 posted on 09/25/2020 3:17:49 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O thou great redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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