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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
They shouldn't be opposed where there is a clear and present danger from the suspects or that drugs will be flushed down the toilet.

The risk of drugs being flushed is not worth the carnage that often happens with no-knock warrants. Human life and due process outweigh some lousy drugs getting flushed.

What person, and that includes cops, would not reach for a weapon when the door of their home is broken down in the middle of the night amid unintelligible shouts? FR threads are full of comments where the instinct is to reach for a weapon, and I don't disagree with that. Self defense is instinctive and there is no time to put the thumb on the chin to ponder the situation.

No-knock warrants create a situation where the people inside could reasonably think they are experiencing a home invasion. They happen. Throw into the fact that cops very often get the wrong address, and you have a policy tailor-made for death, mayhem and yes, a reason to distrust the police.
54 posted on 09/23/2020 8:57:32 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: LostInBayport
The risk of drugs being flushed

I didn't just say "drugs being flushed," but included dangerous suspects. As it happens, most drug dealers also have lengthy criminal records for violence before they start picking up felony charges for drugs, and then they get habitual felony offender enhancements (for all their previous violent felonies), the amount and diversity of drugs they are ultimately caught with (each drug is a different charge), and random stuff like having the drugs in a Drug Free Zone.

Basically the entire war on drugs is a great way of getting rid of violent offenders for 20 or so years.

What person, and that includes cops, would not reach for a weapon when the door of their home is broken down in the middle of the night amid unintelligible shouts?

I've never heard of such a scenario actually occurring where criminals shout and break down the door. In a murder case I am familiar with, they used an agent in the house to unlock the door. Then they rushed in, marched the guy up to the bedroom, and then executed him.

I've also seen them go in through open windows, and stomp down doors only when they think no one is there.

But I have never heard of a case where armed men "shouted unintellegibly" and burst through the door.

Lastly, are there States where warrants are actually executed at night? I'm not aware of that being the case in Texas. I suspect that is not legal anywhere.

63 posted on 09/23/2020 9:14:17 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: LostInBayport

The risk of drugs being flushed is not worth the carnage that often happens with no-knock warrants.


It doesn’t often happen with no-knock warrants, and that obviously false claim is a distraction.

The question is whether it is worth the occasional carnage that happens with no-knock warrants.


75 posted on 09/23/2020 9:24:24 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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