Posted on 09/08/2020 10:15:43 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked
There are huge swaths of beetle kill in colorado some in very populated areas. some day the right fire will take out a good part of the front range
“If they had been able to log, do control burns and just generally manage the Sierra National Forest they would not be having these problems. “
Archeological history, before even the Indians, says a portion of California burns every year. Between 2 and 4 million acres.
The MiWok Indians would burn 5-10% of their lands every year deliberately. As did all the other tribes.
But they would wait until October when the air was cooler and more humid, and just before the rains.
But with these conditions, even at a dozen trees per acre, these fires cannot be stopped. And nothing would have prevented them.
Besides, how do you reduce this dense and vast wilderness to a dozen tress per acre? That’s a straw man. It’s not possible.
My friend told me Shaver got hit really bad.
I am 35 miles east of Carson City & was completely covered over yesterday by smoke. We got some wind today, which helped, but still have smoke in the sky.
There is a video of a scientist doing a lecture (dated about 2 years ago) about the conditions of our forests. He opens his lecture by showing a thickly forested mountainside that is solid trees. He asked the question, “Does this look like a healthy forest?” The audience responded with resounding approval of the conditions that he was showing. But then he starts showing pictures of our National Forest during the creation of the National Forest Service. They were taking pictures of the forest around the areas that were building fire towers in the very early 1900s. The denseness of the trees was considerably less. He showed pictures of so many various areas where there would be a grove of trees with open space in between. This is a naturally occurring fire break, as well as slows down the spread of pests and diseases.
Yes, the Indian tribes were well known to burn sections of the forest. This served many purposes, created fire breaks, returned the nutrients to the soil, allowed germination of new plants, and drove the game for hunting purposes. The Native Americans knew how to “manage” the forest before the U.S. government got involved.
And yes lightning-caused fires are a naturally occurring event. That is why the U.S. government is now allowing lightning fires to burn as long as they are not endangering people, structures, or locations of historical significance.
Even the Sierra Club is now admitting that their policies have contributed to this disaster and that there needs to be some type of forest management to prevent this situation. We are trying to play catch up after sixty years of bad policy. But nature is also playing a part in resetting the tree levels back to what it should be from the lack of management.
The speaker then went on to show what happens when you allow the overgrowth of trees and stop all fires. It creates the conditions that we currently have and that the mismanagement currently caused. He predicted that we were going to have more and more fires and that they would be of a larger scale. His predictions have been very accurate.
At the end of his lecture, he showed the original slide of the forested mountains and repeated his original question. Those in attendance had a change of opinion as to whether that solid mass of trees was natural or if it was a manmade disaster in the making.
When we had the Railroad fire in 2015 I was volunteering as a docent for Nelder Grove, which is a little known grove of Giant Sequoia trees right outside of Yosemite National Park. Prior to the Railroad Fire, there was an old logging road that the President of the Nelder Grove Association begged the forest service to redo to allow for a fire break to protect Nelder Grove from any fires from Highway 41. The pleas fell on deaf ears.
Sure enough, the Railroad Fire took out a significant portion of the Giant Sequoias in Nelder Grove. My favorite tree, the Sierra Beauty was burned to a crisp. I cried when I saw “her”. Now if you know anything about Giant Sequoias they are supposed to be “fire-resistant” meaning that their thick bark protects them from fire. But that only happens when the trees have sufficient room around them and the heat from the other trees burning don’t overwhelm the Sequoias.
The only trees that survived in the Shadow of the Giants area of Nelder Grove were the trees that the firefighters were able to cut down the surrounding trees (non Sequoia trees) prior to the fire entering the grove to give the Sequoias a chance for their thick bark to protect them. By doing so they saved the Grandfather Tree, The Nelder Tree, and the Hawksworth Tree.
I agree completely! I live at the base of the Sierras, on the NV side in the Carson Valley. CA born and raised and bee screaming about the sierra club and the damage they've done to our gorgeous forests. Much like DiFi and her stupid Delta Smelt have done to the Central Valley farmers.
He’s in Boulder and says the smoke is pretty bad now from the Cameron fire. I don’t know what impact the snow has had. We last spoke with him before it fell. Where do you see the beetle impact threatening front range communities?
all the foothills. evergreen. conifer genesee and the like. and all of summit county . What is currently burning in the cameron peak fire. The whole state is ready to go. The western slope as well judging by the fires there in the last few days.
The smoke is essentially gone for now at least in the denver metro. The news said it was better up north as well
I live in the Eastern Sierra and the smoke is bad. I drove up to Carson City for a medical appointment two weeks ago and it was very smokey all the way. It is even worse now.
What you posted is so true. I purchased a book about 10 years ago comparing photographs taken the forests in the Eastern Sierra of California. The first pics were taken in the 1870s to 1890s and second set of photos were taken recently showing the exact same spots. The difference was amazing. Sparse forests in the older photos and thick crowded forests in the new photos. The Smokey the Bear policy of “Only you Can prevent Forest fires” in the last 70 years has caused the mess we are in today.
9/09/2020 — California Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) — Color enhanced view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRPKPJR1k5Q
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Last night people said they could not see the beam. This is a short 45 second long video... thanks to animattronic ... we now have an easy to see enhanced color view of the energy beam emitted from over Oregon (likely from a satellite in space in my opinion) ... the beam going from Oregon into California last night September 8, 2020 directly into a fire.
Notice the fire gets excited wherever the beam moves..
The beam has been detected again going to a different location and different fire. This time coming from above the ocean (likely in space) and beaming down into a fire in Oregon. Link to see that current live view here:
Live view here:
https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms...
And view the beam destination here:
https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms...
See at www.WildfireToday.com
https://wildfiretoday.com/2020/09/09/glendowner-fire-burns-toward-medford-oregon/
” . .Tuesday evening sections of Interstate 5 were closed north of the California/Oregon border. TripCheck has current status of the Interstate.”
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