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Apple CEO Tim Cook: This Is the No. 1 Reason We Make iPhones in China (It's Not What You Think). China is much more than a source of low-cost, low-skilled labor.
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Posted on 09/05/2020 7:22:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SkyDancer
Well thanks for that; I’ve used Apple products and don’t like or care for them. I have better features on my SAMSUNG iPad at a lesser price. I used to laugh whenever Apple announced a new iPhone and people standing in line for hours to get one. What’s the latest price? Something around $1,000?

First of all, there’s no such thing as a Samsung "iPad", SkyDancer. There’re Samsung tablets. The Apple iPad can be had in a 10.1” WIFI for $329. The Samsung is also available in a 10.1 inch WIFI, similar specs, much slower processor, but it’s $429 MFSR. For that price on Apple you get a cellular enabled iPad. “Lesser price”? Doesn’t look like it.

Samsung has what appears to be a lot of different models but what are actually the same models one for each of the many carriers, and both Apple and Samsung also offer smaller versions for around $279. They also offer larger tablets. Still the pricing is competitive between Apple and Samsung. They are both high-end makers.

As for the phones? Apple iPhones might not be as expensive as you seem to think.

Samsung phones with 64GB or more of internal RAM are competitive in MSRP:

(All prices quoted for carrier free, unlocked devices, Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail List. MSRP pricing found on Apple.com and Samsung.com).

So much for your claims of lesser pricing.

The processors on the Samsung phones are half the benchmarked speed of the processors on the Apple phones. In fact, the last two generation Apple designed and made A processors used in the later iPhones and iPads benchmark test faster than many modern laptop and desktop Intel processors.

161 posted on 09/07/2020 1:33:13 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot1)
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To: M Kehoe; SeekAndFind
Did the article mention slave labor or forced labor?

How about military applications the CCP gains from Apple?

Again, there hasn’t been mass forced labor in China for about 25 to 30 years. That occurred during the reign of Mao, when the communists emptied the farming villages of young people to populate the factory cities to build their military equipment, then reversed when they had to force people into the fields from the factory cities to till, plant and harvest when there was no one to plant and farm. Typical failure of a “planned” economy that has no idea how to run an economy. Stop living in the past.

The workers in China today are employed and hired for wages and apply for jobs like those in the west. They are educated and skilled, paid good wages for the economic conditions in China. Factory workers earn the equivalent of a low-middle income wage which enables them to rent or buy an apartment in the nearby city. They can, if they choose, rent a space in the factory dormitory, and eat meals in a factory cafeteria, and some do, because they are sending a portion of their wages home to support an extended family.

In 2013, a group of about 250 workers at a non-FoxConn plant went on strike and went up to the roof and faux threatened to jump, demonstrating because they were not being given enough opportunity for overtime! They wanted more than the 20 hours per week and 60 hours per month they could take under the current contract they were working under. They were not under an Apple contract that restricted overtime even more, but paid better. I believe they were making HP computer cases at that plant. An agreement was reached with management that allowed more overtime on a rotating basis. When have you heard of workers striking for more overtime, especially when overtime just pays regular hourly rates???

162 posted on 09/07/2020 2:23:18 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot1)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe the slave labor in China makes shoes, shirts and dollar store junk but iPhones, etc are made by skilled workers. We shouldn’t think that this article is a complete lie.


163 posted on 09/07/2020 2:28:37 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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As for the military gains from Apple, and indeed all American tech, there’s probably no doubt about the fact they’ve stolen us blind. Some covertly and much overtly. They required Microsoft to turn over all of the code for Microsoft Windows and Office including the proprietary code to do business in China. They tried that with Apple and Apple refused. They tried again to see the security code of iOS and even stopped all marketing of all Apple mobile devices for several weeks unless Apple would let them have it, they still refused. China relented with just an overview of how it worked. No code.

Apple did have to comply with the law in China by transferring all Chinese iCloud accounts to servers under the control of the Chinese government. . . and to keeping the encryption key to those files inside the borders of China. So the key is kept at Apple’s China headquarters, still controlled by Apple.

164 posted on 09/07/2020 2:33:23 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot1)
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To: HighSierra5

You do realize that Apple’s assembly lines in those Chinese factories are among the highest-paid workers in the country - highly-desirable (despite the over-blown suicides from the quality and work requirements). Apple has its own set of standards, not just for the workers salary, but working conditions as well. FAR from “slave labor”.


165 posted on 09/14/2020 12:10:47 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: Moonman62

Because your BS detector has a bias setting that you left turned on...

But here’s a way of looking at it: show me where we have the combination here in the US.


166 posted on 09/14/2020 12:11:49 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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