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It all hinges on the word “criminal”. If they broke the law and enough evidence exists to prove it, I have zero doubt Barr/Durham will charge them with a crime. But the laws are what they are - written by people who intentionally wanted wiggle-room in order to provide themselves and their pals an escape route if necessary. Being a jerk and breaking department rules, protocols, good practices, ethical guidelines, common sense, and all the ways our mamas taught us to behave are bad, but they’re not criminal.

I know most people here know this, I grew weary of saying it over and over out beyond the trees because there are many who just want things to be the way they want them, and view anything else as a personal affront, so why bother. I’m sure they will not be satisified no matter what.

I’m hopeful that the evidence will be there and that indictments will follow for at least some of those who (I think) broke the law. But I’m prepared for it to go either way. If we don’t like the outcome, let’s get better lawmakers and then, better laws.

To see how egregious the conduct of federal officials can be we need look no further than General Flynn’s case and His Excrement, Judge Sullivan. This case has no end of laywers and judges yet not one criminal offense has been committed, because wrecking a man’s life and reputation isn’t a violation of criminal statutes.

If they broke the law and enough evidence exists to prove it, I have zero doubt Barr/Durham will charge them with a crime. But the laws are what they are - written by people who intentionally wanted wiggle-room in order to provide themselves and their pals an escape route if necessary.

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This is an amazing and astute analysis, Bigbob ... EXCEPT I think you left out the dimension of criminal conspiracies and treason ... possibly RICO.

I grant you that each "Individual" may have performed acts which, taken out of context, are scarcely prosecutable. But Barr, hopefully is looking at the big picture.

I am not a lawyer, and have no doubt that anyone who's been to law school could make better examples, but just to illustrate this point:

2. It's not illegal (perhaps) to negligently sign a FISA warrant with incomplete or even false "evidence," BUT, if this is part of an attempt to undermine federal elections, or to carry out a Coup d'etat, then such "minor" bad action may be part of a huge federal crime.

I would enjoy your perspective, Bigbob (and others) as to the possibility that Trey Gowdy was correct--USING THE SMALL PERSPECTIVE OF INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS--but that he missed seeing the forest for the trees.

"Forest" being a larger conspiracy, where ANY KNOWING AID AND ABETTING THEREOF is a major crime.