Posted on 07/30/2020 8:17:43 AM PDT by simka
With or without zinc?
President Trump should enact his same right to try law for covid. Hydroxychloroquine is an over the counter drug in many countries.
“Right to Try” is for drugs that haven’t completed or received FDA approval. Hydroxychloroquine has been approved for U.S. medical use since 1955.
Fantastic!
Win-win!
BTW....Rush talking about (I think it was Twitter) and the banning of comments about how effective the HCQ is.
Rush wants to know who the expert doctor is at Twitter.
there is at least one double-blind study proving that hydroxychloroquine is ineffective in treatment of COVID-19.
There are several, actually. The ones that appeared in the Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine were publicly debunked and retracted within days of publication. Those are likely the studies you refer to, since you don’t cite any actual studies by name and where to find it. And you failed to mention the differences of the successful Zelenko protocol used at first symptom or test positive, with over a 1000 recoveries, used by countries reporting single-digit death rate, compared to the banned use and triple-digit death rates in the U.S. Those differences include application in 2nd phase of virus instead of immediate at-home prescriptions, different dosages than the successful model, and missing elements of the HCQ + + (+antibiotic +zinc), particularly the zinc which actually stops the virus from replicating.
Thanks.... I wanted to comment on it but it wasn’t that clear, walking by I heard Rush mention this. Glad you’re on top of it!
2. send a $1 pack of HCQ pills for each occupant enumerated, in a $1 postage envelope.
3. 2 bucks a head times (whatever many) adults in the USA (NOT scientifically established)
A hell of a lot cheaper than another $1200.00 a head.
Indeed. This is all that is necessary.
If listed as OTC, we allow individuals the ability to make their own choices.
Who needs government (Federal, State, or Local) and who needs politically-motivated doctors (Fauci, et. al.) ‘allowing’ us to have medication that has been shown to be effective.
Everyone should sign this petition.
Perhaps the new Kodak Pharmaceuticals facility in Rochester NY will be the key. The 765 million dollar loan is not just to produce re-agents but also to produce HCQ. The sooner that ramps up for production (hopefully not months) the sooner he can make it OTC imho.
First SARS-COV-2 = Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome - CoronaVIRUS - 2
COVID-18 = Coronavirus INFECTIOUS DISEASE - 19
VIRUS vs. DISEASE
News reporters are saying people ‘tested positive for COVID-19’; NO!
You don’t test positive for the DISEASE. You test positive for the VIRUS and most that test positive for the VIRUS never develop the DISEASE.
The DISEASE COVID-19 is ‘diagnosed’, not ‘tested’.
Most people have the VIRUS but don’t know it. Such people will develop antibodies naturally and never know they are infected. Their immune systems are strong enough to handle the Coronavirus and the virus infection never progresses to a disease state (COVID).
Hospitalizations:
There are two general categories of hospitalizations with COVID-19.
1. Go to hospital as soon as symptoms appear - no wait.
2. Go to hospital after waiting too long.
There are other hospitalizations:
* Sick with other things but get tested with positive result or have family member or friend with positive VIRUS (not necessarily DISEASE). Then such sick people are labeled,, branded as having COVID-19 even though it’s false. Lots of variations on this mixing things up.
COVID-19 progresses to pneumonia like symptoms, difficulty breathing, pneumocytes fill up with fluids induced by cytokine response, cytokine storm; pneumocytes start to fill up and patient starts to suffocate, can’t breath.
Now to Dr. Zelenko’s analogy:
COVID is like a FIRE of a home.
For those that get to the ER right away, the fire is small and easy to put out, minimal damage, patients recover within 24 hors as if nothing ever happened.
For those that wait too long, the fire is out of control, an entire fire department will not be able to save the home. In this case, a patient may survive but with severe lung damage. Many die.
Obviously, HCQ + Zn + Zpak will have mixed results for hospitalized patients depending on how fast they got to the hospital.
The doctors who are now speaking out (and there have been dozens over the last couple months just not broadcast, news suppressed), their patients called them, and the doctors got them to the ER FAST! And that made the difference, the recovery rates are very high.
Now, those that are asymptomatic, don’t know they have anything, they take HCQ + Zinc as prevention, as prophylaxis (Zpak not necessary because no symptoms). These people may or may not have the VIRUS but they never get the DISEASE, the COVID-19.
Therefore, the pandemic can be over in a month if the general population were to take HCQ + Zinc for prevention.
Another Zelenko analogy:
HCQ = gun
Zinc = bullet
If progressing to COVID-19, then:
Azithromycin (Zpak) = bullet-proof vest
to stave off bacterial pneumonia.
Is Zinc necessary? In general yes.
If a person drinks red wine with meals, or eats a lot of seafood, especially shell fish, those dietary items are loaded with Zinc, so the Zinc levels in their blood plasma are high enough without needing Zinc Sulfate or Zinc picolinate supplement.
But to be sure, everyone should take a Zinc supplement.
Dr. Zelenko recommends if you are in an area where a ban is placed on HCQ (crime against humanity), then substitute Quercetin which does not require a prescription.
But HCQ is the best because it has two actions:
1, It opens small pores (channels) on the cell surface to allow Zinc to get inside the cell where it blocks the SARS-COV-2 from replicating (multiplying). Quercetin does this as well, both are known as Zinc ionophores.
2. But HCQ also binds with the ACE2 receptor that the SARS-COV-2 uses to enter into the cell, the HCQ closes the door on the virus.
Summarized:
1. HCQ gets the Zinc into the cell to stop the virus from multiplying
2. HCQ closes the door on the virus reentering the cell.
If a patient can’t get HCQ because it’s banned (crime against humanity) and they take Quercetin as a substitute, they will survive if started early but will take longer to recover because the virus gets stopped by the Zinc but gets flushed back out into the blood where it reenters cells because the ACE2 door (receptor) is still open. HCQ shuts this door but Quercetin does not, so it takes longer using Quercetin to rid the body of the Coronavirus through elimination in the urine.
MAKE HCQ, ZINC OVER THE COUNTER DRUG AND BE DONE WITH THIS NONSENSE. THIS WOULD TAKE BIG PHARMA OUT OF THE EQUATION.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638
The successful model is from Dr. Zelenko that has 3 elements; HCQ +(antibiotic +zinc) which works in combination in the first phase of COVID-19. The zinc (deficient in older people) prevents the virus from replicating and setting up the cytokine second phase. The HCQ acts as a ionosphere to allow the zinc into the invaded cell to attack the virus. The antibiotic alleviates the inflammation in the lungs. To that end cortisteroids work as well.
Even age-old Ivermectin is found to kill the virus in vitro. So any study that deviates from the successful model is going to fail. I can understand that, and I’m not a physician - but I was exposed to STEM, unlike the bulk of our population today.
Hysterics. This thing isn’t that bad and doesn’t demand prophylactic medications. Grow up and stop being a drama queen.
It seems increasingly illogical for folks to dismiss the growing number of actual practicing docs with real life success stories regarding HCQ+ used to PREVENT illness and hospitalization.
I don't care if they are triple-blind and have a white cane - 'studies' are still quite analogous to polls. They mean absolutely nothing without you digging into the specific params of the study, the funding and the motives. All of which always exist to one extent or another.
Studies are polls. The front line docs are an ID-required election. Which one matters?
Where are other front line docs saying they prescribed it as the successful docs suggest but it did not work for their patients?
I agree with you two that the whole discussion is out of hand. But it is out of hand in the sense that we are tripped up debating efficacy as if this is the Medical Republic web site.
Yet this is the Free Republic. And, yes, of course patients and anybody should be free to choose any dang treatment they want. Especially something so time-proven safe for so many millions. A few millions in America already take it long-term, countless millions around the world have taken it since Before-Fauci and even Before-Internet pre-history times. It's long been OTC in less politically-ill nations.
No problem we all debate whether to believe doctors or studies, Yale scientist or life-long bureaucrat. And it's OK we have silly arguments whether masks are a net benefit or mostly just a mandatory dunce cap for your face.
I would hope, though, that Freedom and access rights should be a no-brainer stance here. Me taking HCQ+ would harm nobody but the vaccine salesmen, the gov't control freaks and the election meddlers.
Did Fau Xi approve?
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