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To: rightwingcrazy

Unfortunately, demographics are destiny. It’s just not happening as fast as Democrats hope. 30% of the Hispanic vote is solidly conservative. 60-64% are solidly Democrat. The reasons for this are: some Hispanic countries are just better than others. Believe it or not, Mexico is one of the better countries, as is Chile, Argentina, I think Uruguay. People from there, assuming they are legal, will typically vote better and even commit less crime. Chile for example has only a 2% murder rate, which is equal with most non-Democrat cities in the United States. Mexico is far worse, with perpetual leftist governments and mass corruption, but once in the United States, their crime rate is equal to whites. But then you get Latinos from countries like Guatemala and the level of violence, lack of education, and perversity is just on an entirely different level.

Consequently, Hispanics are a mixed bag, but generally the split will be, and will always be, 60-30, even after many generations. It maybe even gets worse, as the more upperly mobile they are, the more they vote. The stupid is stuck on that 60% and they do not consider themselves American. Maybe education can fix it, but education is entirely in the hands of the left. Until we have patriotic education, we just can’t fix the one’s we have.

A good first step, in any case, will be to completely cut the illegal and legal pipeline, or limit immigration to the upper classes of countries like Chile or Argentina who understand what socialism does to their pocket books.


8 posted on 07/23/2020 9:00:22 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I think the outcome in Mexico would be quite different if they didn’t have a US as a pressure vent and a cash cow. Either they would have become Venezuela by now, or the people would have come to their senses, dumping the Socialists.

The US doesn’t have another US for people to escape to, or to finance the Revolution. So, again, either we (and thus the world) become Venezuela, or we come to our senses.


11 posted on 07/23/2020 9:23:02 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Agreed. That demographics haven’t yet given total power to the Democrats doesn’t mean that it’s not working in their favor because they most certainly are. This is especially true of immigration-driven demographic changes.

As you say, necessary steps are a serious and sustained efforts to end illegal immigration and quickly identify and deport illegal aliens who do make it in or overstay., and at a minimum a large reduction in legal immigration.

I worry though that the time where permanent legislative reductions in immigration could be enacted has passed. Even when public support for reducing legal immigration enjoyed majority support the idea was bitterly opposed by the GOP donor class and stooges like Paul Ryan and Sam Brownback, and so it never came to pass. Now it appears public opinion may have shifted.

For the first time I’ve ever seen, Gallup shows larger support for increasing immigration than decreasing it. It used to be that support for reducing immigration or maintaining current levels always battled it out for majority or plurality status while support for increasing immigration always trailed in a distant third. I don’t know if that is a result of white liberals going fully left in immigration whereas they used to be more restrictive, or if it’s a result and reflection of the demographic shifts over 40 years of mass immigration have already produced, with most of those millions of immigrants and offspring of immigrants naturally wanting more of their own to come. Maybe it’s both.

The only counter I can put forth to that is that the poll doesn’t inform respondents of the current levels they are being asked about. If they were told that it was over a million legal immigrants per year, would more still favor increasing that than support reducing it?

An interesting Harvard-Harris poll approached the issue in a different way by providing respondents a series of numerical ranges of preferred annual immigration. By that measure, a solid majority chose numerical ranges that represent a reduction in current levels of legal immigration.

So as with many issues, it probably depends on how the question is asked.

Anyway, the point I was going g to make before veering off on that tangent is that talk of certain immigrant groups becoming less Democrat over generations, even if true, is more than offsetby the large and continual annual influx of new immigrants who are very pro-Democrat.


13 posted on 07/23/2020 9:50:09 AM PDT by Aetius
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