Posted on 07/17/2020 6:14:00 AM PDT by Saveourcountry
Ignore my previous comment (#17)...had not read this comment.
Why? Because we constantly talk about it like it is something that is part of our day like eating cereal for breakfast or watching TV in the evenings.
No doubt there are racist individuals in our country but the vast majority of people and the country as a whole are not racist.
The same applies to the police. You'll find more racists in the universities nowadays than you will in police forces.
If you view everything in your world everyday when you wake up through the lens of racism, then you will no doubt find it everywhere you look. Your preconceived notions of racism is going to predispose you to see racist incidents everywhere.
Just because I'm hispanic doesn't mean I am a racist. Just because I'm white doesn't mean I am a racist. Just because I'm black doesn't mean I am racist. Just because I'm a policeman doesn't mean I am a racist. And don't tell me racism is "systemic" in this society. It is only systemic in the race hustlers, race baiters, liberal politicians, progressives and commies.
Time to stop talking about it all of the time and get on with being Americans and dealing with issues of much greater impact on our lives, like the economy, than dwelling in the gutter of hate all of the time.
He seems to be on the right track...Good luck to him and to you guys...
Along with the good move he has made about supporting himself, hopefully, you can convince him that the “woke” direction may look and sound really good, it is actually detrimental to the future...
No matter what he has been told, all one has to do is look at the many countries in the world who took to the “woke” or socialist direction and where it got them in comparison to the “capitalist” working direction that our country has taken for the last 244 years...
One day, as he gets older, he may very well realize how right you are on this...
Very well put...
“I had a conversation with my “woke” son the other day. He was born after we “made it” financially and has never known a day when he has not had access to anything that he could ever want. We (his parents) on the other hand came from nothing and worked our way to where we are.”
I have this same problem, with no solution unfortunately.
I have told him that the reason that he isn’t living in a Communist hell hole is because there are more of us (older voters) who believe in freedom that vote than there are of his kind of voters - now. I told him someday we will be dead and gone and you will be living under tyranny that you voted yourself into, and you will realize that mom and dad were right. Unfortunately it will be too late.
Thank you, I will!
The strongest indicator of bad interactions with the police, is not race. It is whether your parents were married when you were born, and whether they remained married. This applies to both blacks and whites fairly equally.
Having a father, or father figure (like a grandfather or uncle) in the household while growing up makes a large difference as well, and is associated with a large number of behavioral traits that are associated with whether or not you will end up incarcerated.
Here’s an older document, though it is from an advocacy group. It does provide references.
http://endparentalalienation.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/2/2/11226479/statistics_on_fatherless_homes.pdf
https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2019/05/01/discrimination-and-disparities-n2545550
https://www.wnd.com/2019/05/sowell-obliterates-equality-of-outcomes-nonsense/
“Sowell asks that if equality of outcomes don’t exist among people with the same parents, raised in the same household, why would one expect equality of outcomes elsewhere?”
https://www.wnd.com/2020/06/poor-dependent-law-order/
https://www.wnd.com/2020/06/blacks-plight-due-bad-cops-democratic-leaders/
https://www.wnd.com/2020/03/black-students-score-higher-conservative-cities/
“The politically conservative Oklahoma City has even turned the tables on our typical thinking about race-based gaps,” says Stewart. Black students in Oklahoma City even have higher high school graduation rates than white students.
https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2005/05/11/how-not-to-be-poor-n1002276
“Avoiding long-term poverty is not rocket science. First, graduate from high school. Second, get married before you have children, and stay married. Third, work at any kind of job, even one that starts out paying the minimum wage. And, finally, avoid engaging in criminal behavior.”
“The 1999 Bureau of Census report might raise another racial discrimination question. Among black households that included a married couple, over 50 percent were middle class earning above $50,000, and 26 percent earned more than $75,000. How in the world did these black families manage not to be poor? Did America’s racists cut them some slack?”
” The Children’s Defense Fund and civil rights organizations frequently whine about the number of black children living in poverty. In 1999, the Bureau of the Census reported that 33.1 percent of black children lived in poverty compared with 13.5 percent of white children. It turns out that race per se has little to do with the difference. Instead, it’s welfare and single parenthood. When black children are compared to white children living in identical circumstances, mainly in a two-parent household, both children will have the same probability of being poor.”
https://winteryknight.com/2020/06/12/two-black-economists-explain-how-to-end-poverty-in-america-2/
“A statistic that one doesn’t hear much about is that the poverty rate among black married families has been in the single digits for more than two decades, currently at 8 percent.”
“Now the politically incorrect questions: Whose fault is it to have children without the benefit of marriage and risk a life of dependency?”
“There may be some pinhead sociologists who blame the weak black family structure on racial discrimination. But why was the black illegitimacy rate only 14 percent in 1940, and why, as Dr. Thomas Sowell reports, do we find that census data “going back a hundred years, when blacks were just one generation out of slavery … showed that a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults. This fact remained true in every census from 1890 to 1940”? Is anyone willing to advance the argument that the reason the illegitimacy rate among blacks was lower and marriage rates higher in earlier periods was there was less racial discrimination and greater opportunity?”
There are some more articles around showing studies that show that successful liberal and conservative families observe most of the same traits (especially regarding marriage) - except that conservatives tell others how to do it and liberals don’t.
Wrong way to make the argument.
What is the most factual way to present the case that cops shootings of black civilians is not “disproportionate”.
If you were looking for what portion of women attending church had brown hair instead of black hair, and then compare that to men attending church what numbers would you use? Would you use the total numbers of the male and female members of the church? No. You would only use the numbers for church attendance, because not all members actually attend the church at any one time, or generally.
But making that kind of mistake, or intentional error, is what people do when they suggest blacks getting shot disproportionately by police, and the base figure they use, in error, is the portion of the total population that is “black”. So if blacks are only X % of the total population but the % of all fatal encounters between police that involve black civilians is greater than X, the suggestion, and false image. is there is a “disproportionate” number of such incidents with blacks.
But not all black people have an encounter with the police, so comparing the fatal encounters against the total population is an error.
The correct measure is not the % of the whole population that is black. It is only the police encounters with a black civilian and what portion of those encounters turn bad that are used to determine the % of THOSE ENCOUNTERS that turned fatal, and compared to such encounters with other civilians.
The problem that the deceivers have starts with the disproportionately higher rates of blacks for major crimes like murder, rape, robbery & assault. Those higher crime rates are what is disproportionate to the black population, with each of them - murder, rape, robbery and assault, representing a bigger proportion of blacks for those crimes in total - for all “races”, than the proportion of blacks in the total population.
Blacks represent about only 13% of the population. But in arrests for murder &/or manslaughter, blacks represent about 53%, and for rape 28%, for robbery 54%, for aggravated assault 33.5%, for robbery 30%, for larceny theft 30%, for motor vehicle theft 30%, for arson 25%, for violent crime altogether 37%, property crimes altogether 30%, other assaults 31%, forgery and counterfeiting 32%, fraud 30%, embezzlement 37.6%, dealing in stolen property 33%, vandalism 30%, weapons charges 43,6%, prostitution & commercialized vice 37.5%, sex offices 25%, drug offenses 27%, illegal gambling 52%, offenses against family/children 28%, DUI 14%, liquor law violations 14%, public drunkenness 14%, vagrancy 27.8%, all other offenses 27.5%. And in sum, all listed offenses together - 27%.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43
In all but DUI, liquor law violations and public drunkenness the rate of arrests of black civilians is twice or more the proportion of blacks to the total population. In murder and robbery the rate is more than three times the % of blacks in the total population.
What all that means is (1) blacks have a rate of having encounters with the police that is disproportionately higher than the black % of the total population, (2) because blacks have a disproportionately higher rate of arrests for many major crimes.
The number of times those encounters include a cop (of any race) shooting or causing the death of the black civilian is NOT racially disproportionate compared to such police encounters with civilians of other “races”. It only appears so when the media and everyone else uses the % of the total population of blacks or whites verses just the totals of police encounters with blacks or whites.
Roland G. Fryer (”black”), a Harvard economics professor wrote about this subject in a WSJ editorial, and came to the conclusions I demonstrated above.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-the-data-say-about-police-11592845959
Thank you.
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