A Las Vegas man has been arrested after police said he 'goaded' a homeless man into performing a fatal backflip for $6

MSN ^ | July 17, 2020 | Michelle Mark

[Jamestown1630]

Do you have any experience in a big-city environment with lots of homeless people?

[spiderpig]

Failed Gymnast Lives Matter

[Gay State Conservative]

I do.In fact...I have years of experience working in a big city ER.That’s how I know that only one with formal medical training can determine if a particular person is mentally impaired.

[Jamestown1630]

Perhaps ‘science’ has overcome your intuitive faculties.

There were many homeless of diminished capacity on my street in DC when I worked there, and there are a few here in the suburbs now. You can generally spot when someone isn’t exactly acting ‘fully in charge of himself’- if you actually notice and care about people.

Are you advocating that this Keonte person should just be let off, and the case not investigated?

[Gay State Conservative]

Have you forgotten that the law allows one a certain amount of freedom while not "fully in charge of him/herself"?

In most states (IIRC Utah is the exception) one is allowed to drive an automobile with a blood alcohol level of .07999999

Being in that condition is the textbook definition of not being "fully in charge of him/herself".

But luckily there's a blood test with which a prosecutor can measure the level of impairment.

In a case like this there's no blood test available.

What this guy did was almost certainly bad form...maybe even foolish.But not criminal.

[Jamestown1630]

Well, all I can say is God Help You! if you take all of your *wisdom* from the Great God Science and people with Higher Ed Degrees

A lot of scientists are truly brilliant; but a lot also have supreme book-learning while possessing very little good sense.

As you admit, a blood test cannot determine emotional or mental derangement. But what used to be considered ‘normal’ people of ‘average’ intelligence could reliably sense when something was ‘not right’.

If it goes to trial, a jury of ‘normal people’ will decide if what happened was ‘criminal’ - not you nor I.

I just don’t have a problem with the arrest, or with having the case investigated. A man of diminished capacity died who WOULDN’T have died, if someone hadn’t played around with him just for laughs.

[absalom01]

That is straight up evil.

[Gay State Conservative]

We're talking about a worldly court of law,not the Final Judgment.On Judgment Day it's distinctly possible that God,knowing full well what was in this guy's mind...and heart...when he offered that $6,will look *very* disapprovingly at what he did.

But in a worldly court of law neither you,nor I,nor anyone else can be certain of what did,and did not,happen on that day.

So...not guilty in a court of law (reasonable doubt) but *very* possibly guilty in The Final Court.

[Jamestown1630]

You seem to have pre-determined what the jury’s outcome will be.

Never a good bet.

[spiderpig]

Failed Gymnast Lives Matter

[Gay State Conservative]

Nope,I don’t have the first clue what the verdict will be.I don’t even know if the case will ever come to trial.My comments only reflect *my* mindset given what I know about the case...which is very little indeed.

[Jamestown1630]

Exactly. If it does go to trial, who knows what the evidence may show? Neighborhood People tend to know a lot of stuff.

But I ask you again - should a situation like this not be investigated at all?

(Unless, in your first post - where you stated that ‘no crime was committed’ - you were simply making a poorly thought-out ideological point, and I’ve forced you to continue to substantiate it....:-)

[Gay State Conservative]

I have a background in emergency medicine (as an administrator).While this might not be true in all states a death of this sort must,under Massachusetts law,be referred to the State Medical Examiner.Having called the Suffolk County Medical Examiner's Office many times I still remember the phone number (617) 267-6767.

In Massachusetts the ME has the authority to "accept",or decline,all cases referred to his office.I'd be willing to bet that that's true in all states.

In cases that the ME accepts the cause of death is either ruled "natural causes","accidental","suicide", "undetrmined" or "homicide".

Obviously a prosecutor is gonna act on "homicide" cases and may,or may not,act on an "undetermined" case.

So should it be investigated at all? It depends at least partially on the ME's ruling.And given that there's no evidence (that I've seen) to indicate homicide the ruling is likely to be "accidental".

[Jamestown1630]

I respect your knowledge. I also suspect that this will be investigated.

I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think it will be considered ‘accidental’, with no adverse charges or consequences to the Keonte person.

Law isn’t just Law, anymore - if it ever was. It is always subject to the sentiments and vagaries of the times. I believe that a lot of people will demand, and lots of pressure brought, to bring this to trial.

Of course I, also, could be wrong.

(And I appreciate your willingness to ‘play’.)

G’Nite!