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To: NoLibZone

There are many wise and educated people on FR. Several times I have wondered about a science topic and received excellent replies.

Please, could someone give their expertly grounded opinions and knowledge of the topics I heard discussed on a Savage Nation show about 2 years ago? Savage’s personal attorney answered specific questions after the Portland drivers were surrounded and attacked.

From memory: Rioters trying to pull open the door means a direct threat to get you outside the car and kill you, so you may kill them. Another: Hitting the car with rocks, concrete pieces and hammers, plus kicking and yelling-—are not a legal reason to shoot them. Not an imminent danger to your life. This is all by my memory.

Note: We could go to prison for years if we choose wrong!

Big problem: Each City, village, county and state, plus the US have specific laws. Thus, stand your ground, never shoot, always ok to defend yourself.....are all in varied contexts.

We have a few seconds or up to five minutes to decide, in our car, feeling increasingly afraid and possibly with loved ones inside-——what we should do.


26 posted on 07/07/2020 9:14:05 AM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud,harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: frank ballenger

“Hitting the car with rocks, concrete pieces and hammers, plus kicking and yelling-—are not a legal reason to shoot them. Not an imminent danger to your life.”

Well, frankly, that’s a judgment for the jury to make in each specific case. If you can convince a jury that they would have felt their lives were threatened if they were in that situation, you walk. If you can’t, you’re screwed.


44 posted on 07/07/2020 9:31:46 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: frank ballenger

“Another: Hitting the car with rocks, concrete pieces and hammers, plus kicking and yelling-—are not a legal reason to shoot them. Not an imminent danger to your life.”

A number of state laws disagree with you. Here’s Louisianna for one:

The new Louisiana “Kill the Caracker” statute (the Statute),enacted in July of 1997, has made it easier for Louisiana motorists to take the law into their own hands. The statute justifies homicide when either a passenger or driver reasonably believes that another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary or robbery of the vehicle through the use of any unlawful force.2 The statute imposes no duty to retreat, but instead justifies homicide committed by a passenger or driver inside the vehicle against an individual who is attempting to unlawfully enter the vehicle, if the passenger or driver “reasonably believes” that deadly force is necessary either to prevent the individual’s unlawful entry or to force the individual out of the vehicle.

https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=law_urbanlaw

(The article is written by a whining leftist but does contain useful info)


83 posted on 07/07/2020 12:37:44 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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