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To: SeekAndFind
However, if the materialistic Darwinists are right, then I can’t see how morality can be objectively real.

You use "materialistic Darwinists" as if scientists deify other scientists. That's not how it works. And Darwinism is something that only exists in the minds of religious opponents to the TOE.

Murder is just as natural as a lion devouring a lamb. There would also be no objective moral basis for calling slavery wrong.

Murder is unquestionably natural - just ask Abel.

It's what we think of it and how we react that's important. Every functioning society has figured out that that murder isn't good and has come up with moral arguments against it.

Not just Judeo-Christian societies.

51 posted on 07/06/2020 8:28:01 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

RE: You use “materialistic Darwinists” as if scientists deify other scientists. That’s not how it works. And Darwinism is something that only exists in the minds of religious opponents to the TOE.

You don’t believe such materialistic Darwinist exist?

Richard Dawkins calls the process of evolution by mutation and selection “the blind watchmaker,” by which he means that a purposeless, materialistic force substitutes for the “watchmaker” (i.e. a watch requires a watchmaker) deity of natural theology. THAT is how it works according to Dawkins and the many who think like him. It isn’t a caricature, it’s WHAT THEY TELL US.

RE: Murder is unquestionably natural - just ask Abel.

Well, if we are products of random mutation and natural selection, I would even go further and say murder is NOT WRONG. It just is.

RE: Every functioning society has figured out that that murder isn’t good and has come up with moral arguments against it.

The unstated assumption is that a functioning society is a good thing (if pure Darwinism is true ). If we are all products of random collision of atoms, I don’t even see how that can be called “good”. It is just nature. Chaos, anarchy or what we know as order are what they are — NATURE. Putting a label “good” or “bad” to it is simply a personal preference ( which is also a product of evolution ). There REALLY is no good or bad. Just what is.


52 posted on 07/06/2020 8:40:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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