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It’s just the flu, bro.

There are a few threads about contact tracing programs being automatically downloaded onto cell phones. Apparently this is why 25 million cell phones disappeared in China almost overnight a few months ago. A few had the theory that 25 million died, but this sounds more reasonable. I didn’t realize Chinese people appreciate freedom so much as to get rid of their phone. But the prospect of forced quarantines are not appealing to anybody. We certainly don’t want want forced quarantines of those who come in contact with the virus in the USA. Contact tracing is also a Democrat idea, in case you didn’t know.

1 posted on 06/19/2020 5:22:32 AM PDT by impimp
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+747 DEAD

+27,924 NEW CASES

120,688 TOTAL DEAD


2 posted on 06/19/2020 5:23:04 AM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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Ping. Freepmail Impimp to go on the ping list.


3 posted on 06/19/2020 5:23:20 AM PDT by impimp
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COntact tracing is a violation of the 4th amendment and I would hope there would be significant civil disobedience. Its just the flu, bro — no reason the government needs to know whom I am in contact with.


4 posted on 06/19/2020 5:23:38 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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I see Kozak is still a jackass. He cant explain the ongoing drop in deaths — curve looks just like Italy two weeks ago where it is over.


6 posted on 06/19/2020 5:24:31 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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Bump


8 posted on 06/19/2020 5:29:05 AM PDT by Laslo Fripp (The Sybil of Free Republic)
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Italy launches ‘holiday bonus’ to boost battered tourism sector

https://news.yahoo.com/italy-launches-holiday-bonus-boost-battered-tourism-sector-001955421.html


11 posted on 06/19/2020 5:40:57 AM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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I thought the 25 million phones were thrown into the incinerator with all the bodies. You could see the fires from space. The ash replenished the soil around the world.


19 posted on 06/19/2020 6:14:03 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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Does COVID-19 truly warrant a nationwide shutdown?

No, and that has been made increasingly clear. The predicted dire need for hospital beds did not overall materialize, while the great fear of outside contact is hardly rational,[1] with one study of 318 outbreaks involving 1,245 cases in China finding just one transmission that occurred outdoors, infecting just two people. Most of those who were infected and died were occurred at home..[2] Up to eighty percent of people who become infected with the virus have either no symptoms or experience it as a mild respiratory infection,[3] especially elder care facilities which account for over 40% of US deaths.[4]

If close to half of all COVID-19 deaths have occurred in long-term care facilities then that means that the 99.4 percent of the country that does not reside in those facilities is roughly half as likely to die of COVID-19,[5] even to the fatality rate of COVID-19 probably being “0.13 percent for people outside nursing homes and 0.26 percent — identical to the CDC best estimate — when people in nursing homes were included.”[6]

Even with a worse-case example - far removed from the average[7] - Word Meters finds that New York City (May 1) had an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of 1.4% and a 0.28% crude mortality rate (CMR) to date, or 279 deaths per 100,000 population.[8] (In New York city there is normally a a death every 9.1 minutes.[9] and primarily due to its COVID-19 death rate New York state constitutes about 29% of all reported COVID-19 deaths as of May 26, with over 19,000 deaths per million,[10] and which heavily affects the overall mortality rate of the US.[11])

(From New York State, posted on https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-ays-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html)

Up to about 80 percent of those infected with COVID-19 are estimated to be silent carriers, [12][13] meaning they show no symptoms, and the New York City labor and delivery unit found 88 percent of infected patients had no symptoms, [14] while over 600 sailors on the coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt tested positive, yet 60% of them had no symptoms such as fever, fatigue, or cough,[15]and in four U.S. state prisons nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus yet 96% were without symptoms[16] and or recover without medical care[17]) Which means that the infected fatality rate is much lower than the misleading case fatality rate that is usually quoted.

Then in early June even the WHO stated that asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is “very rare.”[18] though it later expressed that this is debatable.[19] Meanwhile the vast majority of those who die because of Covid-19 are 65 years-old or more[20] and with almost 25% of all documented Covid-assigned (which does not mean the subject was tested for Covid) fatalities in the US (91,976 as of May 18 at 8:49PM EDT) are from New York (28,480)[21] and according to one report 54% of all U.S. deaths were in the 100 counties in or within 100 miles of NYC.

And the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that almost 90 percent of U.S. coronavirus patients who have been hospitalized had underlying health problems, or comorbidities.[22]

And which relates to the issue of inaccurate fatality numbers, partly due to the problem of determining the actual cause of death and the CDC guidelines which allow for reporting COVID-19 as the “probable” or “presumed” cause on the death certificate if the certifier even suspects COVID-19 was likely (e.g., the circumstances were compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), the cause.[23] Which resulted in NYC suddenly adding 3,700 additional people to its death count[24](also, Federal legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment[25]), leading to charges of over-counting[26][27] while Pennsylvania removed some after coroner reports.[28] Later, Colorado’s Health Department revised their official coronavirus death count from 1,150 as of May 15 downward to 878 (a reduction of 23.7 percent) and created two separate distinguishing categories, one of people who died directly because of the virus and another of people who had COVID-19 at their time of death but died of other causes that may not be attributable to the virus.[29][30] However, some others believe the problem is more that of under-counting. [31]

Also, another study finds that the risk of coronavirus spreading in schools is 'extremely low'.[32]

And while states continue to parrot the “stay sheltered” mantra, research shows that sunlight destroys virus quickly[33], and even a Department of Homeland Security official affirmed that increasing temperatures, humidity and sunlight are detrimental to coronavirus saliva droplets on surfaces and in the air.[34] Also, over 600 doctors signed onto a letter sent to President Trump favoring an end the "national shutdown," referring to it as being a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."[35]

Yet miles upon miles of parks and public waterfronts are shutdown, and for too long NY put infected persons in nursing homes[36] (and as of April 26, about 40 percent of COVID-19 deaths were in the state of New York alone. New Jersey was in second place, with nearly 5,900[37]yet the death rate is uncritically employed to justify nationwide lockdowns) while in states such as Illinois law-breaking prisoners were released from their “quarantine” - including some “high risk” sexual offenders[38] and some convicted of murder - [39] and almost a third of county jail inmates have been released from facilities during the coronavirus pandemic.[40] Meanwhile over 2,000[41] of the most vulnerable souls a day in “quarantine” - their mother’s womb - are murdered, many by the same persons claim to be for protecting the vulnerable.

Moreover, the extremely restrictive all-ages long-term response to COVID-19 simply has no precedent in American history except (to a degree) that of the 1918 flu (in which baseball was still played) which up t 675,000 deaths are attributed.[42]

The Asian flu pandemic of 1957-1958 resulted in a estimated 116,000 deaths in America[43] (followed by the Hong Kong flu with about est. 100,000 American deaths in 1968–69), when at about 173,000,000, the population size in 57-58 was close to half of what it is now (330,541,000, rounded figures).

Meaning that not only was the infection death rate much higher than for COVID-19, but there would have to be about 200,000 COVID-19 est. deaths to be comparable to the Asian flu as regards percentaged of population. Yet that would simply make it basically equal as concerns the numbers of deaths in proportion to population size, but to justify the "CovidCaptivity," one would have to argue that the Asian flu should have necessitated a response like that to COVID-19. The Soviets would have favored that for sure.

The question then is, where was the COVID-19 comparative response in 57-58 in proportion to its threat? Yes, the 116,000 deaths in America to the Asian flu was for the whole year, yet even if we reach about 200,000 deaths (we pray not) for COVID-19 then that type of equality would still mean that the extremely restrictive all-ages long-term response to COVID-19 simply has no precedent in American history, except to a degree with the far more deadly (550,000 to 675,000 Americans, or 0.66% of the population) 1918 flu.

And during which medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff. [44]

Finally, the long-term cost for the questionable[45]“cure” - as meaning preventing deaths via the stay-sheltered COVID captivity - will be more costly in lives and money [46] including psychosocial consequences[47] than a more moderate response that would allow for a faster rise in cases but a better decrease and overall a more healthy populace in the long run. [48][49][50]

Economically, estimates project total losses in state and local revenue of up to 45 percent, effecting 90,000 nonfederal-government entities that provide and pay for most of the government services that Americans receive.[51] And while states look to the Federal government to bail them out, the additional costs and declining revenues stemming from Covid-19 are expected to produce a 2020 budget deficit in excess of $4.2 trillion.[52]

And most of government income comes from taxes, via businesses and those who are employed ( income taxes, payroll taxes, and corporate taxes)[53], yet businesses are failing across America, and in New York alone the governor stated that small businesses constitute “90 percent of New York's businesses” and “more than 100,000 have shut permanently since the pandemic hit.”[54]

Moreover (as of May 20), with 2.43 million in America filing for an unemployment,[55] the rate is at least 20%.[56] Also, according to one meta-analysis of 42 studies involving 20 million people, the risk of death increases 63 percent when one loses their job, and that for every one percentage point increase in the unemployment rate, there are 37,000 deaths, mainly from heart attacks, but another 1,000 from suicides and another 650 from homicides.[57]

And as concerns just suicide, we have reports such as “Calls to suicide and help hotline in Los Angeles increase 8,000% due to coronavirus,”[58] and “Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus,”[59]

Yet while we seek to save lives, 7,000 Americans die every day in the US from a wide range of causes [60] - besides over 2,000 a day being slain in the “quarantine” of their mother’s womb[61] - my prayer is that all sinners will come to repentance and faith in the risen Lord Jesus and be baptized and follow Him.

Hope this helps. PeaceByJesus

Footnotes

[1] The paranoid style in COVID-19 America | Spectator USA
[2] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf
[3] COVID-19 shows that experts don't know everything
[4] STAGGERING: Nursing Home Residents Account for a Whopping 43.4% of COVID-19 Deaths, Even Though They're Less Than 1% of the U.S. Population
[5] The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population
[6] Page on washingtonpost.com
[7] Image on justfacts.com
[8] Coronavirus Death Rate (COVID-19)
[9] Population Facts
[10] United States Coronavirus: 1,725,524 Cases and 100,573 Deaths
[11] Don't Buy the Misleading Figures. Here's the Real Story About How the U.S. Matches Up on Coronavirus Deaths
[12] Coronavirus Outbreak: Daily Updates
[13] New Study Shows the Extent of Symptom-Free Coronavirus Spread
[14] https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/20/we-tested-all-our-patients-covid-19-found-lots-asymptomatic-cases/
[15] Coronavirus clue? Most cases aboard U.S. aircraft carrier are symptom-free
[16] In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms
[17] The basics on the coronavirus: What you need to know as the US becomes the new epicenter of COVID-19
[18] Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is 'very rare,' WHO says
[19] WHO walks back comments on asymptomatic coronavirus spread, says much is still unknown
[20] CDC: 80 percent of US coronavirus deaths are people 65 and older
[21] New York Coronavirus: 361,266 Cases and 28,480 Deaths (COVID-19 )
[22] Hospitalization Rates and Characteristics of Patients Hospitalized ...
[23] Technical Notes: Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)
[24] N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count
[25] Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators
[26] As US coronavirus death toll mounts, so does the belief by some that it is exaggerated
[27] Death Toll Conspiracy: Why Conservative Media—And Soon, Possibly Trump—Are Doubting Coronavirus Mortality Figures
[28] Pennsylvania Takes Hundreds of 'Probable' COVID Deaths Off Books After Coroners Come Forward
[29] Colorado's state health dept. revises method of counting COVID-19 deaths; 878 deaths as of Friday - KRDO
[30] Case data | Colorado COVID-19 Updates
[31] How are COVID-19 deaths counted?
[32] Risk of coronavirus spreading in schools is 'extremely low' study finds 
[33] https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/04/17/sunlight-destroys-virus-quickly-new-govt-tests-find-but-experts-say-pandemic-could-last-through-summer
[34] https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-23/us-official-sunlight-heat-humidity-could-help-kill-coronavirus
[35] Doctors raise alarm about health effects of continued coronavirus shutdown: 'Mass casualty incident'
[36] How States Turned Nursing Homes Into ‘Slaughter Houses’ By Forcing Them to Admit Discharged COVID-19 Patients | Jon Miltimore
[37] New York vs. Texas: NY Has Nearly 50 Times More COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita | Ryan McMaken
[38] CA Gov. Frees Seven ‘High Risk’ Sex Offenders, Orders Beaches Closed, All In Same County - LaCorte News
[39] Almost 4,000 inmates released from IL prisons, 64 convicted of murder
[40] One Third Of Jail Inmates Nationwide Set Free in Unprecedented Coronavirus Jailbreak - Big League Politics
[41] Induced Abortion in the United States
[42] Spanish flu - Wikipedia
[43] 1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus)
[44] Coronavirus and the Sun: a Lesson from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic
[45] Analysis raises questions about coronavirus shutdown's effectiveness
[46] Anxiety From Reactions to Covid-19 Will Destroy At Least Seven Times More Years of Life Than Can Be Saved by Lockdowns
[47] Years of life lost due to the psychosocial consequences of COVID19 mitigation strategies based on Swiss data
[48] Stanford University doctor: 'You are mistaken' if you think coronavirus lockdowns provide safety
[49] Thanks to COVID-19, Social Security’s day of reckoning may be even closer than we thought
[50] Workers opt for unemployment as benefits exceed job pay
[51] America’s Next Crisis Is Already Here
[52] Coronavirus Budget Projections | Manhattan Institute
[53] Who Really Pays Uncle Sam's Bills?
[54] Coronavirus Forces 100K NY Small Businesses To Close Permanently
[55] United States Initial Jobless Claims

23 posted on 06/19/2020 6:31:01 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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The Well-Appointed Californian

If you are a California resident or if you're planning to visit California before November you must dress properly to face any situation in this once-free state.

-- You must be "legally" attired with the new Newsom Day-Long Snot Rag

-- You must carry a flashlight on your belt in case PG&E deliberately shuts off the electricity should a breeze stir

-- Your belt must also be equipped with pepper spray in the event you encounter a BLM racist or an antifa terrorist who may threaten you (though you would be breaking the "law" by interfering with the racist or terrorists free expression to kick the living Newsom out of you)

-- Should you venture into the once-great city of San Francisco your backpack must contain a roll of "environmentally-friendly", "fair trade" toilet paper so that you can participate in the daily street-dump ritual ... completely legal, y'know!

And if you're up for a little fun, wear the legendary "I Love Country Music" rebus t-shirt, updated by pasting little Gavin Nesom's face over Hillary Clinton's; and be sure to wear your MAGA hat just to piss off all the "right people".

There now! You're all set for the day in the "new normal" California. (Since I don't practice anti-social distancing and because I have absolutely no intention of wearing a "face burka" no matter what Nancy Pelosi's nephew commands, I'm being "socially responsible" with this informative PSA.)

31 posted on 06/19/2020 7:14:01 AM PDT by glennaro (Prager: "Until it's safe" means "Never"!)
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Your title for this thread is SO clever!


44 posted on 06/19/2020 2:29:36 PM PDT by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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