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To: absalom01

Thank you for an intelligent, reasonable comment based on the known facts. There are apparently three videos the authorities are not showing. The two body cam videos and the security cam video for Cup Market. As you commented, the body cam video may hold the clue why the officers’ took the actions they did.

However, there is another document that may shed some light on why the officers took the course of action they did. It is the Probable Cause statement in the original arrest warrant. In that document, the officers discussed the proper positioning for an excited delirium case.

If you do some research into excited delirium cases you will find that he proper course of action is for officers to secure the subject and wait medical assistance.

“Because prolonged struggle increases the chance of sudden death, officers should focus on the quickest possible restraint followed by sedation by EMS personnel.”

https://www.lexipol.com/resources/blog/understanding-excited-delirium-4-takeaways-for-law-enforcement-officers/

https://coronertalk.com/excited-delirium-death-police-custody

“This is not the person that you want to place unattended in the back of your squad car once he or she is controlled. If the subject goes on to have a problem, it is much better to have him in the back of an ambulance with EMS personnel in attendance. Your goal should be to have EMS stage away from the scene but arrive as soon as you have the subject controlled so he or she can be evaluated.”

https://www.policemag.com/339775/how-to-respond-to-excited-delirium

Now look at the photo in this article.

https://www.lawofficer.com/minneapolis-police-ban-chokeholds-not-used-in-the-incident/

Chauvin has his right knee on the ground, his left knee is on the back of Floyd’s neck, keeping Floyd’s head from moving. If you watch the video carefully, you will see Floyd raise his head a couple of times, lifting up Chauvin’s knee, so if appears that Chauvin does not have his whole weight on Floyd’s neck. The photo also shows Chauvin monitoring Floyd as he should while applying the neck restraint, and Chauvin has Floyd’s right arm, pulling it back so that Floyd is not in a complete prone position.

Then check the amount of Fentanyl in Floyd’s system.

https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf?la=en&hash=1DD37B049B99FAE35949ADD1D04331BD45A86D01

With that amount of Fentanyl in mind look at this article.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/02/fentanyl-overdose-dont-count-naloxone-save-you-10822

An interesting thing is that the MSM is now referring to Floyd’s death, as he died in police custody instead of him being killed or murdered by Chauvin. Interesting isn’t it.


134 posted on 06/11/2020 7:00:47 PM PDT by oldiadguy (The truth has no agenda)
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To: oldiadguy

bump!


135 posted on 06/11/2020 7:03:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: oldiadguy

Thanks for the research and calm reason.

With regard to the exited delirium issue, it didn’t really manifest with Floyd until the arresting officer tried to put him in the back seat, presumably to take him to the drunk tank to sleep it off.

Well, that changed after the 6’-4” 225# Floyd decided he didn’t like that idea, and propelled himself through the car, and onto the street on the other side.

Chauvin seems to have very quickly figured out at that point that they were dealing with a medical emergency as well as a crime, and acted as he was trained: restrain the suspect and call for the paramedics.

I think that police work is the only trade where you can perform you job exactly as you were trained, in compliance with your employer’s policy manual and the law, and then get blamed for any bad outcome that might come about as a result.


136 posted on 06/11/2020 8:32:08 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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