Posted on 06/09/2020 9:45:11 AM PDT by ckilmer
It’s one thing to say that his crimes didn’t merit being killed like that. It’s another to make a saint out of him, to honor him, to make him a martyr.
You can acknowledge his criminal activities, acknowledge what’s on the video, and still think that kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, killing him, is excessive and should also be punished. And you can wish peace and support for his family without making him some kind of great man.
Look at Dubya....he was a Republican wartime president and did pretty well in handling 9/11 and Afghanistan. Then he went after Iraq; the left went bat guano crazy against that war. Many Republicans defended the President AND that war effort, reflexively. Only years later did many of us retract our knee-jerk defense of the President, but the reality is we defended him (in large part) because we didn't want to give the left an edge. It is arguable that HAD we called balls and strikes in Iraq that Lurch would have won, and thus that makes defending Dubya a political decision. And that's ok, but let's be honest about it.
We just saw this with Coronavirus. Many people debated cogently the merits of partial shut downs - but shut downs spawned draconian statism. While it's hard to remember, but things weren't exactly clear as day three months ago - Wayne Allen Root put it best:
I have many great friends and guests on my national TV and radio shows who are medical experts. Half believe this is the pandemic to end all pandemics. They quote Centers for Disease Control and Prevention models that report as many as 1.7 million Americans could die. So people are rightfully scared out of their minds. American business is shutting down. But the other half of my medical friends and expert guests say this is an overreaction. They predict fewer Americans will die than during the flu season of 2017-18 that killed about 80,000 people. They don't believe we need to close down American business and lock ourselves in our homes. The problem is we won't know who's right until it's over.
I suspect many people talked down any technical merits of even a risk-based shut down because that seemed to make them philosophical allies of the leftist scum who shut down the nation out of political desires and didn't give a rip about commerce or health.
So yea, George Floyd wasn't a great dude. He was intoxicated with fentanyl when he died. But that doesn't excuse his death at the hands of Derek Chauvin. The rioters and arsonists are criminals and many people of good will undoubtedly smiled when they heard that a rioter trying to blow up an ATM became a Darwin Award recipient.
It's a mad, mad state of affairs. May God have mercy on us.
DoodleBob, I am going to report you to the Department of Kneejerk Reactionaryism. You have made too much sense as of late, this must be stopped!
After a fair trial, yes.
“but I don’t think it killed the man...”
A couple of coroners disagree.
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I had never heard that term until this past weekend when I found an article, written by someone in law enforcement, saying that he thought this was what Floyd was experiencing. He had fentynl in his bloodstream and, according to this author, that can produce "excited delirium". Also, something about it will cause problems with the respirtory system (I can't breathe).
I wish the media would quit calling this a murder until all of the facts surrounding it are known. I think a jury, when informed of what was in his system, and how that might have affected his behavior, if they are honest, will probably acquit the cop.
I hate it that we all seem to jump to conclusions when we don't have all the facts. We have one image; and, it is a damning image; but, there was something going on before that image took place, and I want to know what that was.
BLM does not care a lick about black deaths that does not advance their anti-police, anti-capitalist agenda. They are a radical Marxist organization dressed up to appeal to the ignorant
From their DC webpage
Black Lives Matter DC is a member based abolitionist organization centering Black people most at risk for state violence in DC, creating the conditions for Black Liberation through the abolition of systems and institutions of white supremacy, capitalism, patriarchy and colonialism.
We are dedicated to promoting strategies that:
– empower the most oppressed Black people;
– do not reinforce or legitimize systems and institutions that harm Black people including police, prisons, mass incarceration and modern slavery;
– divest from people, institutions and systems that harm us and invest in the people, institutions, systems and other models that support our liberation and empowerment;
– use a diversity of tactics to promote harm reduction, political education and non-cooperation as strategic visions
If his windpipe was “compressed”, not only would it have been obvious on both autopsies as internal injuries & petechial hemorrhaging. Also he would have died in 3 minutes not 9.
According to sources he was dead with in 4 minutes. Like I said there are those who are going to disagree, but a knee on a neck come on with 3 other Cops standing around.
You’re 100% correct that George Floyd’s prior acts should have exactly zero bearing on the use of force that day.
That said, the neck hold was included in the MPD use of force policy, and that’s what’s going to be relevant at trial: did the neck hold cause, or merely contribute to the cause of death, and was its use withing his training and the MPD policy.
For what it’s worth, you’re dead right about trying to avoid the neck if possible, lots can go wrong, and lots of vital things in a small place.
Setting aside for a moment that the head holds the brain, and the chest holds the lungs the restraining technique used in the Minneapolis incident was, I've read, an approved technique in the jurisdiction at the time. I've read that it has since been disapproved, or is the process of being disapproved.
The question in my mind: was the technique done in the wrong way resulting in death? I don't know the answer to that and I'm willing to wait to find out the answer. I'm not sure that you and I are in much of a disagreement.
Thomas Lane attorney on now Court TV
Thomas attorney: Floyd resisted arrest, excitable delirium mentioned, kicked out passenger side door, ambulance delayed getting there (which would account for the 8 minutes)
Reason enough to choke the life out of him. /not
If you’re on probation, parole, or have existing warrants, even a non-violent offense could mean real prison time, which is probably why many people resist being taken in for minor infractions.
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