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Notre-Dame fire: Work starts to remove melted scaffolding
BBC ^ | 8 June 2020

Posted on 06/08/2020 3:42:39 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

While the spire did not survive - it crashed down at the height of the conflagration - the scaffolding did. In fact in the intense heat, a lot of it melted and became attached to the building, like a great metal parasite.

Now begins the exceedingly delicate operation of cutting away this metal, all 20 tons of it. The damaged scaffolding has been surrounded with yet more scaffolding, and an enormous crane has been brought in.

Teams hanging from ropes 40 to 50 metres (130-164ft) in the air will be using electric saws to carve away the encrusted material piece by piece.

The building is still not entirely out of danger and only when this operation is finished in three or four months' time can they start thinking about the real response to the disaster: reconstruction and maybe redesign.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


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Something completely different.
1 posted on 06/08/2020 3:42:39 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

A mosque?


2 posted on 06/08/2020 3:44:14 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Unless it is rebuilt with the same love and devotion and faith, it won’t be the same building; just a pile of bricks.


3 posted on 06/08/2020 3:44:35 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: DUMBGRUNT

It was arson and they hushed it up.


4 posted on 06/08/2020 3:47:45 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Did they ever determine the cause of the fire? I recall hearing that an investigation was going to be done. But I don’t recall ever hearing what the results of that investigation were.


5 posted on 06/08/2020 3:47:51 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Swamp gas or oily rags depending on who you listen to.


6 posted on 06/08/2020 3:53:08 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Did they ever determine the cause of the fire? I recall hearing that an investigation was going to be done. But I don’t recall ever hearing what the results of that investigation were.

I think the cheese eaters are afraid to say for fear of more rioting by their Muzzie bros.

7 posted on 06/08/2020 3:53:32 PM PDT by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Bulldoze it and build a mosque.


8 posted on 06/08/2020 4:03:51 PM PDT by moovova
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To: SpaceBar

It was arson and they hushed it up.”

Yep. The cursed Mohamedians.


9 posted on 06/08/2020 4:13:39 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: DUMBGRUNT
The powers that be have been slow to rebuild because they never wanted to rebuild.

They're sorry any of the structure survived.

10 posted on 06/08/2020 4:17:10 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: CondorFlight

“Unless it is rebuilt with the same love and devotion and faith, it won’t be the same building; just a pile of bricks.”

Back in the time when they were building the great cathedrals of Europe, there were zealots insisting to work on the buildings for free.
The stonemasons and other crafts did their best to keep them away.
If they persisted, they were removed with extreme prejudice.

Yes, it is difficult to compete with someone working for free.
I suspect they were there for employment /gain over any religious experience.
Same as today.


11 posted on 06/08/2020 4:17:26 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: yesthatjallen

“They’re sorry any of the structure survived.”

It is a major tourist attraction and the state not exactly pouring money on it. They have already collected about one billion US dollars in donations. It might take 20 years...

As France is so popular with tourists, it contributes to the French economy significantly, representing 9.7% of the GDP in 2013 and around 198.3 billion euros in 2016.
https://www.condorferries.co.uk/france-tourism-statistics


12 posted on 06/08/2020 4:26:34 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Trump would be done with it by now.


13 posted on 06/08/2020 4:33:16 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (There's a stairway to heaven, but there's also a highway to hell.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Turn it into a new casino!


14 posted on 06/08/2020 4:50:42 PM PDT by GaltMeister (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.)
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To: robowombat

Precisely.

Moo was floating around the river that night...


15 posted on 06/08/2020 5:58:28 PM PDT by bgill
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“Something completely different.”

Why do you say that. I think it should be rebuilt using the same materials and construction equipment that was available when it was originally built. No huge cranes, hidden steel beams, etc.

A massive church I visited in Spain had a cherry picker parked over by an interior wall to do maintenance on the higher reaches. That’s not how they did it in the old days, huh?


16 posted on 06/08/2020 6:17:25 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: cymbeline
That's how you get cathedral builds that take 589 years (Regensburg), 632 years (Cologne), or 634 years and counting (Milan).
17 posted on 06/08/2020 7:03:38 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: cymbeline

“Something completely different.”

An old line from Monty Python.

No COVID, no riot, no swamp creatures...

Now, to your point about doing it the ‘old way’.

Long ago I wondered how the engineering was done on the great cathedrals? Most predate Newton/Leibniz?...

The Mastermason used many rules of thumb.
My favorite; imagine the largest support that you think is needed, AND DOUBLE IT!
Does not work well with modern design principles.
Also, there are many ruins of great cathedrals that collapsed!
So much for that procedure.

Would you use fire retardent on the wooden beams?

Modern additives for the mortar used to set the stone?

So you do not care for flitch plates? I can see some agreement for the location but there are limits to funding and completion dates can only be pushed off so much... unexposed, why not?

Yes, Michelangelo worked from scaffolding when painting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
I would like to think that today, he would use a motorized scaffold where practical. An artist and skilled craftsman, not a Luddite.

I have seen the use of massive lashed bamboo scaffolds in Asia, it can be done, but why? Manufactured scaffolding is safer and quicker.

I worked in an old building (butler building 111n Canal).
They had construction photos of mules pulling sleds loaded with brick up ramps, using straw to slide on! 15 floors!

Nothing wrong with a temporary crane in position.

Not a make-work project!
Time is money!


18 posted on 06/08/2020 8:02:23 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

If you bring the giant machines and put together a bunch of slabs and beams of concrete and steel that were made with other machines, paid for by people that donate and go on with their lives, and the structure erected by other people that twiddle levers in their construction equipment, seems something is missing from the final product.

That huge cathedral in Spain bothers me. It was made by machines, not people.


19 posted on 06/09/2020 4:40:52 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: cymbeline

“put together a bunch of slabs and beams of concrete and steel that were made with other machines...”

Being a form over function kind of guy I like some, not all Brutalist architecture. The Cathedral of Brazil is very nice.

“the structure erected by other people that twiddle levers in their construction equipment seems something is missing from the final product.”

Without going weird, I do believe that when you create something of quality you leave your mark with it.
Not just great artists, skilled craftsmen, and many others.

The great ones are studied and scholars can make an educated guess as to who created the work.

Can it be determined at a glance if a large timber had been set in place with a crane? Parbuckled into position, levered or winched...?

Quality usually is apparent.
I can’t explain it, but sometimes know it when I see it; kind of thing.

And you can dig into the underlying form. Hand-hewn? A brace and bit or electric drill?...

“God is in the details.”
Mies van der Rohe

If you haven’t read, you may like:
“Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”

“The place to improve the world is first in one’s own heart and head and hands, and then work outward from there.”
R. Pirsig
Also, a there is great companion reader to go with it.


20 posted on 06/09/2020 8:33:58 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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