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To: daniel1212
Thanks for the reply! Again, purchased plants do great in the garden itself. There are lots of worms in the garden and compost. It is seedlings started in small pots or those 4 or 6 packs, reused from plants' purchases after they have been emptied, that don't make it. I've tried so many varieties of purchased potting soil and top soil that I can't even tell you which I used last year. Most of which soils I've also used when planting store bought plants (to help refill the hole - works fine / those plants generally do well.) Plus I've tried soil from what we compost. The latter (part of the compost area itself) grows volunteer tomato plants* just great(!) if undisturbed and not added to / dumped on with more material to be composted that would bury the young plants.

*Apparently a few stray seeds from food prep / slicing & dicing tomatoes or tomatoes that go bad get in the compost.

That said, thanks, I may pick up a bag of the Hapi-Gro Timberline 40-lb Organic Compost and Manure (1.88) and / or Peat Humus40-lb $2.28) that you recommend. We are low on such material. The lighting for the seedlings is mostly artificial (grow bulbs - no good unshaded windows to grow stuff) but I've also tried starting the plants outside - granted that was in early summer after the indoor attempts failed, and those may have received too much heat and light early on. (We are in the Mid-South, Zone 7, and the seedlings would have been about 5- 10 days old right at summer solstice, both times, IIRC.) So that might have been a different problem.

Water, well (pun) it's good tasting well water, a bit "hard" but not bad, I drink a lot of it untreated, and I haven't toppled over yet. I guess I could test ITS ph or just switch to collected rainwater. (There is plenty of that available in the spring, here!)

I'm guessing maybe when watering for being away 2-4 days the plants are TOO wet too long. Or maybe it is the light, or, some sort of pathogen* (despite the new soil) that plants 1-2 weeks old in small reused containers are vulnerable to. It is NOT too much plant for the container -- store purchased plants are probably 20-100 times more plant mass for the container than the seedlings, at the point the seedlings keel over.

*I also suppose it is just barely possible there is enough juglone in the well water to damage seedlings at their most vulnerable(?) stage(?) -- we have tons of hickory trees in the area (but not near the garden.) We use the same water for the garden though - no apparent problem, but then that's on older plants. This time of year or a little later, there's no need to water the volunteers - they get plenty of rain.

83 posted on 05/11/2020 9:19:01 AM PDT by Paul R. (The Lib / Socialist goal: Total control of nothing left wort h controlling.)
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Thanks for the many replies!

Maybe the grow light needs to be closer? Within a foot or less? (In past years it was a 40w. fluorescent bulb about 30" away. For this winter I replaced it with a 5000 lumen 5000K LED fixture - it worked ok for plants (including a couple mature tomato plants) I overwintered - see below).

I have NOT yet had a chance to start from seed tomatoes this year -- figured I'd get on here and ask some questions 1st, actually, since the past attempts were a waste of time / disaster.

Also, that light is not on a timer, so maybe the "never off" light messes up young plants even more than people? (It's never hurt other wintered plants we have, so far as I know.)

The problem when I tried growing seedlings from seed "outside" in small containers may be a different issue, as noted.

The fan is a good idea, but how to not forget the dang thing when I'm away, and dry out the plants even faster? It'd only take one mistake... Maybe run it on a separate timer so it's only on an hour a day?

84 posted on 05/11/2020 9:48:11 AM PDT by Paul R. (The Lib / Socialist goal: Total control of nothing left wort h controlling.)
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To: Paul R.
I'm guessing maybe when watering for being away 2-4 days the plants are TOO wet too long. Or maybe it is the light, or, some sort of pathogen* (despite the new soil) that plants 1-2 weeks old in small reused containers are vulnerable to.

Sounds like you are far from a novice! I would recommend getting some 20oz paper cups (or 60 18oz for 12.00) and putting a couple holes in the bottom and using them to plant in, with good soil. On watering, I only water our many (thank God) growing plants about twice a week at the most.

86 posted on 05/11/2020 11:08:13 AM PDT by daniel1212 (To Go Paper Cups & Lids, 16 Oz, 20 Count (3 pack) Great Value To Go Paper Cups &)
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To: Paul R.

Sometimes if you reuse containers your seedlings get cooties.

I forget what the ratio is for bleach to water for washing containers.

Some people bake their soil to sterilize it.


98 posted on 05/11/2020 7:48:46 PM PDT by Califreak (If Obama had been treated like Trump the US would have been burnt down before Inauguration Day)
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