NOT THEIR FINEST HOUR ‘Brainwashed’ pupils being taught Winston Churchill was a ‘war criminal’ in tutorial shared by thousands of teachers

The Sun ^ | 20 Apr 2020 | Elizabeth Perkins

[nickcarraway]

SECONDARY school pupils are told that Winston Churchill was a “war criminal” and “a blundering reactionary” in a teaching tutorial shared by thousands of teachers.

It is also claimed the wartime leader’s speeches were “poorly received”, he was “drunk” during his “finest hour” message and Bob Geldof is more important to our history.

The lesson plan, Winston Churchill: Hero or War Criminal?” appears on the website of global education company Tes.

Using halos and red devils’ horns as bullet points, the lesson contains a potted history of the career of what it calls “an intensely controversial figure”.

Part of it says: “Churchill has been criticised for advocating the use of chemical weapons.”

But Chris McGovern, of the Campaign for Real Education, said: “They are brainwashing kids and trashing our past.

“It’s pitiful that we have planned strategy to demonise Churchill.

“We all know he was not perfect, but his views reflected the age in which he lived."

Another teaching aid sums up the controversial side of Churchill’s career as “a warmongering, blundering reactionary”.

“He was responsible for such things as the disaster at Gallipoli, the callous treatment of exploited workers in the General Strike and a failed attempt to spark off World War Three against Soviet Russia in his 'Iron Curtain' speech,” the lesson plan states.

Tes lesson plans are written by teachers and the firm said it is not responsible for content.

[nickcarraway]

They needed us, we didn’t need them.

[nickcarraway]

Yes, well FDR's reputation before he was elected president was that of a dimwitted scion of a powerful family.

Yes, it was like taking candy from a baby for Churchill.

[nickcarraway]

True, their were Soviet plants near FDR, but they weren't the ones who steered FDR into going easy on the USSR, it was Churchill. He forced the U.S. to cater to Stalin's every desire.

By the way, it was not the USSR's U.S. spies that damaged us so much, as the USSR's British spies. The British intelligence agencies were honeycombed with Russia spies. And to this day, the we know most the KGB spies, but only the tip of the iceberg about GRU spies. I don't think the U.S. intelligence services have recovered to this day.

Otherwise, the liberals who were demonizing him that fomented this thread complained that he tried to start WWIII over Soviet Russia.

You are missing the big picture. A possible confrontation with the USSR in 1945 would not have been necessary, if Churchill didn't have the U.K. and U.S. acting as their Maitre De of the Russia war machine.

The U.S. and U.K. fed and raised what became the rampaging war machine of 1945. We subordinated our own interested to bail them out.

[nickcarraway]

See post #20, among other things.

[Halgr]

My dad was with Patton in WW2....so I have always been a WW2 History “Nut”, read and saw everything pertaining to the subject.

Its so sad that the British have let the Marxists win in England.

Churchill or rather without Churchill, we’d all be speaking German today.

[SmokingJoe]

FDR was actually a pretty shrewd canny fellow. You don't win the presidential elections four times in a row by being naive or stupid, especially since he was a cripple (from polio) for most of that period. He managed to outmaneuver his political opponents over a long period of time.

[Dilbert San Diego]

Can you recommend any good history books or sources for the information here? I’ve been a student of history and am not familiar with what you are saying here.

[nickcarraway]

Well, you need to read up on how the New Deal was a system to buy votes.

Significantly though, he couldn't do anything to end the Depression. (Except start a war.)

But he was horrible as predicted, on foreign policy. He allowed himself to be made Churchill's lap dog. More than any other country, the U.S. lost WWII.

Germany, Japan, and Russia got new leases on life.

)Side note: When Germany invaded Russia, Stalin hid in his Dacha for a week, and the country was paralyzed.

Finally Beria, Molotov, and someone else went to his Dacha to see what was going on. Stalin thought they were coming to have him arrested and executed. That's how close it was.

[Phil DiBasquette]

Whut

[Phil DiBasquette]

Yeah the guy who devised Project Unthinkable

[nickcarraway]

Let me check and get back to you. But stuff by Sir Martin Gilbert are pretty good. The Second World War: A Complete History Revised Edition is a great overview. He wrote books on Churchill, but he's pretty hagiograpic. Unfortunately, most historians haven't connected the dots in a big picture way.

[Vehmgericht]

Diana West’s American Betrayal reveals how Soviet agents manipulated U.S. policy. The modern global economic system was created by Harry Dexter White (father of World Bank and IMF), a Soviet agent.

[Dilbert San Diego]

How did the U.S. lose World War II?

[SmokingJoe]

Well, you need to read up on how the New Deal was a system to buy votes.

And that is new how?
Politicians have been buying votes since there was politics. You do what you gotta do to win.
Again, FDR was as shrewd and canny as they come. He even managed to hide the fact that he was a cripple from most Americans and went on to win presidential elections four times in a row despite his handicap.

Significantly though, he couldn't do anything to l end the Depression. (Except start a war.)

There you go. If it took a war to end the depression and get the economy booming, he was going to do it. Not to mention he wanted to get into the war on the side of the Brits from the get go. He could kill two birds with one stone and he did.

[SmokingJoe]

He allowed himself to be made Churchill's lap dog. More than any other country, the U.S. lost WWII.

Now you are bordering on the bizarre. More than any other country, the US came out if WWII stronger in every way, economically, militarily, etc than any other country on the planet. By far.
And FDR was nobody’s lap dog.

[nickcarraway]

Are you talking about Operation Unthinkable? LOL, that surely proves what an idiot Churchill was about the USSR. Operation Unthinkable started out as an offensive plan on Soviet Forces in Germany. It was always a nonstarterm, and qickly devolved from an attack, to a defense, if the Russians pushed forward. That too, was completely unworkable, so it was just trashed.

Beyond that, the Soviets knew about it before the ink was dry. Marshal Zhukov started moving his forces around in Poland and Germany in June 1945. So, to recap, the Russians already taken action against Operation Unthinkable before it was even past the drawing board. So, it's safe to call it a colossal failure.

The U.K. was so riddled with Soviet spies then, that Stalin knew when Churchill sneezed, before Churchill did.

[nickcarraway]

There you go. If it took a war to end the depression and get the economy booming, he was going to do it.

Wow, spoken like a total socialist and globalist. You can't even understand some principals of economics that don't envision ending a depression any other way that going to war and executing half a million noble Americans?

That's idiotic. There was no possible way the U.S. would be on the side of the Germans, or Japanese for that matter.

The point is, FDR did not have to acquiesce to the needs to stupid plans of the British or the Russians, which we did.

[nickcarraway]

How did the U.S. lose World War II? How did we win it?

We won it because we "won" the right to support the rest of the world and have our own country flooded with European socialism and sleaze?

All the things Freepers like to hate today, can be traced back to World War II.

You don't like globalism? The United States "won" the right to support West Germany, Japan, United Kingdom, the United Nations, and more than half the other countries around the world. Does that sound like Victory to you? Because it sounds a lot like a defeat to me. And only three those countries were ever grateful to the war. At most. You should only count that as a victory if you think the United States should support all these countries and get almost nothing for it.

And all they social issues you might hate, and the revising of the Constitution? Where did all that come from? It came from Europe at the end of World War II.

You can use Norman Mailer's The Naked and the Dead in 1948 as a jumping off point.

I love this country, but I can't help but see how WWII womped us good.

[BwanaNdege]

Tes lesson plans are written by teachers and the firm said it is not responsible for content.

Submit a lesson plan filled with the "N-word" and see how quickly they yank it off their website.

Criticize the LGBTQRWXYZ crowd and see what happens.

"Tes lesson plans are written by teachers and the firm said it is not responsible for content."... Yeah, right!

[SmokingJoe]

Wow, spoken like a total socialist and globalist.

Yeah. I am an agent of the socialist globalbalist brigade.
Why, I just got home from having dinner with my pal George Soros. Great conversationalist.

You can't even understand some principals of economics that don't envision ending a depression any other way that going to war and executing half a million noble Americans?

So tell me, how long had the depression been going on before the war?
And how many Americans died in the civil war?
Vietnam?
WW I?
Were they “executed” too?
Did Churchill hoodwink America into going
to war in Vietnam too?
Or trick us into the civil war which claimed over 600,000 American lives?