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To: exDemMom

[Who is trying to cause panic?

If I tell you not to enter the reaction chamber of a nuclear power plant, am I fearmongering or am I warning you of a real danger and urging you to take precautions?

People who do not understand the danger and scoff at it are the most dangerous people around. They’re like the guy in Mexico who found a pretty blue powder in a vial and took it home, only to end up exposing many members of his family (including himself, IIRC) to lethal doses of radiation.

Your inability to take a dangerous situation seriously does not make it safe.

I provide information because I am trying to empower people to keep themselves safe. ]


Because of the scale of economic sacrifice involved, I expect we’ll have to go through at least one cycle of re-open, see the bodies stack up, recoil in horror and shut down again, before the electorate is convinced of the danger. Some people will be dug in deep, impervious to both numeric and historical data. It’s not merely a question of ability to comprehend - there’s also the matter of willingness to go beyond what is psychologically comfortable.

There’s also a kind of self-serving utilitarianism involved. Send the elderly out on those ice floes so I can keep myself in the style to which I have become accustomed.

In the twentieth century, some of the major advocates of utilitarianism were Communists. While a soft-hearted, soft-headed bourgeois Kantian moralist might think torture or mass murder were just wrong, a sophisticated dialectical thinker would realize that they’re OK as long as they’re carried out by a revolutionary vanguard to hasten the advent of utopia for hundreds of millions. You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs.

The history of Communism shows one of the big problems with utilitarianism. Even if you think it’s OK in principle to sacrifice the few for the many, you have to be leery of the fact that somehow it was the guys doing the utilitarian calculus who seemed to wind up with the omelet, such as it was, and other people’s eggs that got broken.

Robert Wright correctly emphasizes how much our moral judgements are likely to be skewed by self-serving self-deception. The commandment to maximize total happiness — subject to no side constraints on avoiding harm, leaving well-enough alone, and minding one’s own business — may allow an especially wide scope for screwing people over in the name of Doing Good.


95 posted on 04/16/2020 2:04:22 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Because of the scale of economic sacrifice involved, I expect we’ll have to go through at least one cycle of re-open, see the bodies stack up, recoil in horror and shut down again, before the electorate is convinced of the danger. Some people will be dug in deep, impervious to both numeric and historical data. It’s not merely a question of ability to comprehend - there’s also the matter of willingness to go beyond what is psychologically comfortable.

Unfortunately, you may be right. Too many people take for granted the relatively disease-free lifestyle that we have achieved through unceasing work. They also have no understanding of history, of just how devastating infectious diseases can be.

If a majority of people or even significant minority were to fail to grasp how serious Covid-19 really is, and balk at infection control measures as a result, a LOT of people will die. And I think the economic impact of millions of people dying will be far graver than the impact of observing quarantine measures. If we all work together, we will beat Covid-19; best case scenario is that we can eradicate it completely. The economy will come back (unless we let the left control it); lives will not.

96 posted on 04/16/2020 3:29:27 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
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