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To: daniel1212
IIRC, you have been corrected on this before. That fatality rate is simply spurious since it apparently overall only those who are sick and deemed worthy to be tested are tested , thus these are most likely to die. In contrast, extensive random testing shows the infection % to be much higher in relation to population and deaths, while the rate of flu infections as a % of population is higher than for Covid.

I have *never* been corrected by anyone who is actually an expert in this area (which I am). All I have seen here is a lot of people who, for whatever reason, do not take Covid-19 seriously, completely ignoring the scientific data and instead grasping at pronouncements issued by thinktanks and media figures who have NO experience in any aspect of public health.

In an epidemiological investigation, investigators trace the movements of a known case to identify others whom may have been exposed. As of this morning, 3,262,921 people in the US have been tested, and 640,291 cases have been identified. Those people with a risk of exposure are then tested. The fact that an excess of people have been tested as compared to those who turned out positive shows that cases are not being missed.

The worldwide death rate as of today is 139,469 deaths per 2,090,110 cases, or 6.67%. In the US, the death rate is 31,015 deaths per 640,291 cases, or 4.84%. Both worldwide and US death rates continue to rise. This is a simple and basic mathematical calculation, using the current numbers published by Johns Hopkins.

82 posted on 04/16/2020 9:21:09 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
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To: exDemMom
I have *never* been corrected by anyone who is actually an expert in this area (which I am). All I have seen here is a lot of people who, for whatever reason, do not take Covid-19 seriously, completely ignoring the scientific data and instead grasping at pronouncements issued by thinktanks and media figures who have NO experience in any aspect of public health.

In an epidemiological investigation, investigators trace the movements of a known case to identify others whom may have been exposed. As of this morning, 3,262,921 people in the US have been tested, and 640,291 cases have been identified. Those people with a risk of exposure are then tested. The fact that an excess of people have been tested as compared to those who turned out positive shows that cases are not being missed.

Haughty arrogant and wrong. You simply cannot present yourself as an expert and denigrate all who oppose you as completely ignoring the scientific data, when you base the Covid fatality rate only on confirmed cases, based upon the absurd premise that cases are not being missed. And reject other who can be "experts" as much as you but who, based on data, warn against the very things you are going:

But it seems you must consider the same people who provide some of your data as as being of those who "do not take Covid-19 seriously, completely ignoring the scientific data," since warn:

At present, it is tempting to estimate the case fatality rate by dividing the number of known deaths by the number of confirmed cases. The resulting number, however, does not represent the true case fatality rate and might be off by orders of magnitude [...]

A precise estimate of the case fatality rate is therefore impossible at present. 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV): estimating the case fatality rate – a word of caution - Battegay Manue et al., Swiss Med Wkly, February 7, 2020 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#comparison

And "According to Worldometer, an online statistics website run by an international team of developers and researchers that collates public health information published directly by each state, the U.S. has conducted about 2.5 million tests as of April 11. That equates to about 7,600 tests per one million people. Using that same scale that accounts for Iceland's population, Iceland has undertaken 100,000 tests per million people." - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/

And the report of that study in Iceland was one of the things (who allegedly ignore such) I provided in my response to you, of a country that has randomly “tested 10% of its population for coronavirus - a figure far higher than anywhere else in the world - and found that "about 50% of those who test positive for the virus are asymptomatic when they are tested." Which supports estimates that most who are infected don't need medical care, and those who are asymptomatic abound. Which drastically lowers the fatality rate of infections.

But who who cannot be reproved just ignored such .

For in addition, scientific data I also provided from the CDC also showed morality rates for the flu per state for 2018 (13 states above 17 per 100,000 total population) and for Covid here (now only 5 state above 17 per 100,000 people, as of April 16)

And that nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018, (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm) with older Americans dying at a rate of 169 Americans a day, or seven people per hour. (https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html

Of course, we have a ways to go before Covid deaths attain to the 1–4 million deaths that both the Asian flu and Hong Kong flu reached worldwide, though these levels are expected.

Such comparisons does not minimize Covid, but means that perspective is called for as regards response.

Mortality rate for SARS was 10%, and for MERS 34%.

Virus Death Rate
Wuhan Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
2%*
SARS
9.6%
MERS
34% - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#comparison

As of this morning, 3,262,921 people in the US have been tested, and 640,291 cases have been identified. Those people with a risk of exposure are then tested.

You mean tested twice? And show documentation that it is not mainly those who have symptoms that make up the majority of postive cases since this documentation began.


87 posted on 04/16/2020 11:34:23 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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