Posted on 04/14/2020 1:11:20 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter
Thanks for confirming what I had read.
What is likely also happening in sweden is a deliberate speed up of the ‘desired demogrpahic transition’. As the old Swedes die off they are replaced with a more desirable ethnic group.
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Sweden has kept all its primary schools open. I haven’t heard of a massive die-off of Swedish elementary school children. As a matter of fact I haven’t heard of a single Swedish kid that age dying. But I bet that when the time (test availability) comes, many of the kids will have been found to have had Covid-19 and thus are now contributing to that nation’s developing herd immunity.
Meanwhile, Swedish citizens over 70 and other vulnerable groups are isolating themselves for the time being.
Only time will tell whether the Swedish approach has been wise. My suspicion is that time will validate its wisdom.
It’s the old swedes.
That’s the opposite of ‘elementary school’ swedes.
Unless their elementary school goes to age 70yrs+
Native swedes are being replaced, demographically.
Sweden has reportedly had about 1,000 COVID deaths (per Bing).
Sweden has a population of about 10 million.
Sweden’s per capita death rate = 1 in 10,000.
USA has a reported 29,000 COVID deaths.
USA has a population of about 330 million.
USA’s per capita death rate = 1 in 11,379.
So, Sweden has a slightly higher per capita death rate than the USA, but there are too many variables, and it’s too soon to draw broad conclusions from it.
Could it be the use of saunas?
All the positive cases and fatality rates are specious, because relatively few have been tested, and those that are usually are those with symptoms (thus it does not indicate what % of the pop. are infected), and the fatality rates are based upon this.
The only exception to this so far is a study in Iceland which reports that as of April 11, the country has “tested 10% of its population for coronavirus - a figure far higher than anywhere else in the world -” [and with fatality rate of about 0.4%?] and that “about half of its citizenry at any given time who have coronavirus but don't know it, will be asymptomatic” (show no symptoms), which is “a large percentage many experts studying the virus have suspected, but have had little firm data to corroborate.” - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/
From looking at the available information for the last couple of months, I have never been concerned about the safety of school age children. The virus has a very low fatality rate for young people. My concern was always that young people would bring it home to infect their parents and grandparents, and thus cause the deaths of many older people who would not otherwise die.
I have older folk I don't want getting this thing, and I've told all the kids to stay the hell away from grandma and others.
Are you crazy? They have free health care there. 😀
As for their Muslim imports, they have probably just gotten lucky.
“...My concern was always that young people would bring it home to infect their parents and grandparents, and thus cause the deaths of many older people who would not otherwise die.
I have older folk I don’t want getting this thing, and I’ve told all the kids to stay the hell away from grandma and others.”
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Yes, part of Sweden’s “seek herd immunity” strategy was to keep the young kids (most of whom have relatively young parents) in school EXCHANGING VIRUSES IN SOME CASES and, in some cases, bringing the viruses home to their relatively young parents. While this is going on, the older grandmas and grandpas are isolating themselves protecting themselves from infection. For students older than elementary school age (with presumably older parents) Sweden has closed their schools for now.
Your policy of telling the kids to stay away from older family members is a very good one. We do the same in my family.
Well, at the least, some of those who die over the weekend aren’t counted until Monday.
Thanks!
Sweden:
3/9, 0 deaths
3/16, Sweden has its 3rd death.
3/20, 16, 0.98% fatalities/case
Date case dth rcvr dth/case
3/23 _2046 __27 _16 1.32%
3/24 _2299 __40 _16 1.74%
3/25 _2526 __62 _16 2.45%
3/26 _2840 __77 _16 2.71%
3/27 _3069 _105 _16 3.42%
3/28 _3447 _105 _16 3.05% Sat
3/29 _3700 _110 _16 2.97% Sun
3/30 _4028 _146 _16 3.63%
3/31 _4435 _180 _16 4.06%
4/01 _4947 _239 103 4.83%
4/02 _5568 _308 103 5.53%
4/03 _6131 _358 205 5.84%
4/04 _6443 _373 205 5.79% Sat
4/05 _6830 _401 205 5.87% Sun
4/06 _7206 _477 205 6.62%
4/07 _7693 _591 205 7.68%
4/08 _8419 _687 205 8.16%
4/09 _9141 _793 205 8.68% ,*89% unresolved
4/10 _9685 _870 381 8.98% ,*87% resolved
4/11 10151 _887 381 8.75% Sat
4/12 10483 _887 381 8.46% Sun
4/13 10948 _919 381 8.39% ,*88% unresolved
4/14 11445 1033 381 9.02%
Every weekend the death rate stalls - probably for administrative reasons - but overall, the deaths/case are rising dramatically. Let’s hope that is an artifact from reduced testing.
Anyone with the virus is listed as a victim of it.
Hospitals are getting reimbursed more for deaths due to the virus.
Regardless, in NYC, they are not dragging an extra 400 people in off the street to kill them every day - which is what your argument amounts to. Misclassification is certainly likely - but it is also certainly such a small proportion that it doesn’t amount to a hill of beans in the COVID statistics.
Multiple articles posted here have chronicled the inflation of the numbers.
Nonsense. 3700 “presumed” deaths were just added to New York’s total today.
Multiple articles posted here have chronicled the inflation of the numbers.
This goes further than that, as even with the wild-eyed failure to comprehend, they still wouldn’t come close to accounting for the deaths we are talking about.
Again, 150 normal deaths a day increasing to 600+ deaths a day does not leave a lot of room for misclassifying to be making a difference that supports your argument. Sure, assume that the 150 normal deaths are reduced by 20% of those cases being misclassified. That’s only 30 out of the 556 COVID deaths in NYC reported today. So knock that number down to 526. Heck, assume EVERY normal death is being mis-classified as COVID and drop it to 406. Your argument still bites the dust.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/literally_no_one_has_any_idea_how_many_people_covid19_has_killed.html
Every day you’re hearing an updated tally of the number of Americans who’ve “died” of COVID-19.
But if you want to understand a Chinese virus, you better start listening to a Chinese philosopher: As Confucius said, “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper names.”
And, it’s time everyone wised up about those daily COVID-19 fatality reports. They don’t represent the number of people it's killed. They represent the number of death certificates listing it as a cause. And those two things are most definitely NOT the same.
We know with absolute certainty that CDC guidelines for filling them out mean people with mild cases who die of some unrelated disease get added to the virus’s death toll. And 80% of COVID-19 infections have symptoms way too mild to kill anyone. In fact, a lot of people get no symptoms at all.
We even know that people who aren’t infected with the virus are getting counted as fatalities.
The truth is that no one has any idea how many Americans COVID-19 has killed. Except that it’s got to be a lot fewer than the number being reported.
Item 1. If you die while infected with COVID-19, it gets listed as a cause on your death certificate, regardless of how mild it was or anything proving some other disease was the true culprit.
According to Coronavirus Task Force coordinator, Dr. Birx herself:
If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
The Task Force’s unofficial leader, Dr. Fauci says:
I can’t imagine if someone comes in with coronavirus, goes to an ICU, and they have an underlying heart condition and they die—they’re going to say, ‘Cause of death: heart attack.’ I cannot see that happening.
For whatever reason, the medical experts in charge have decided on guidelines that are bound to add a lot of people who would have died of some other disease anyway to COVID-19's death stats.
Dying with the virus is being intentionally conflated with dying from it.
Item 2. The CDC is explicitly directing doctors to list COVID-19 on death certificates even when no test was done as long as they’ve "assumed" the patient had it.
A March 24 Q&A style memo the CDC sent out directing doctors on how to fill out death certificates is explicit about it:
Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease
No reason for the “assumption” is required. And the emphasis at the end isn't mine, it's the CDC's. COVID-19 diagnoses are being encouraged, not just without a test, but without any medical justification.
They’re also being rewarded:
Item 3. Hospitals will be reimbursed for treating any uninsured patients diagnosed with COVID-19. Medicare will also pay out more for checking the COVID-19 box.
So, on top of directives encouraging and even straightforwardly implying that many death certificates will falsely list COVID-19 as a cause, there are also enormous financial incentives to create more.
As Dr. Scott Jensen, told Laura Ingraham,
"If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do."
In other words, when you incentivize something – whether it’s solar power, illegitimacy, or false medical diagnoses – you get more of it.
The question isn’t whether COVID-19's fatality numbers are inflated, it’s by how much. And the answer appears to be, “a lot”:
Item 4: Results of (i) mass testing in Chicago, (ii) analysis of virus strains from New York, and (iii) medical data from California all indicate that the spread of COVID-19 was well underway at least half a month before the repressive measures inflicted to contain it even began.
Italian scientists suspect the same is true there. Evidence from China suggests the virus started spreading at least three weeks before the date reported.
The California data indicates COVID-19 had already surged in February. Why didn’t anyone notice a spike in deaths back when it actually began spreading? And what’s causing the present increase in death certificates listing COVID-19 as a cause? Even if it hadn’t already peaked, our strict regime of social distancing ought to have slowed the growth of an already spreading pathogen.
Finally, some enlightening numbers:
Around 2000 Americans on average die in hospitals every day. So, from March 13 to April 11, at least around 60,000 people should have passed away in hospitals from causes other than COVID-19. Suppose that the policies and financial incentives creating false COVID-19 diagnoses caused the virus to be listed on just 1/6 of those normally occurring death certificates. That would mean the actual number of COVID-19 fatalities is around half the roughly 20,000 reported on April 12.
If 1/3 of the people who would have died of other causes anyway wound up with COVID-19 on their death certificate, that would be enough to account for roughly every single death certificate listing COVID-19 as a cause.
We’ll likely never know how many people COVID-19 is really killing. Policies have been implemented that so blatantly inflate the numbers we’re getting that it has to be intended. Moreover, absolutely no effort has been made to provide us with meaningful data about how many extra people are actually dying. So, not only don’t we know, nobody has any interest in us finding out.
In fact, nobody seems very interested in finding out themselves since it doesn't even look like real data are being compiled. Dr. Fauci and the other medical bureaucrats in charge are content to make sure the numbers are exaggerated as much as possible. They've indicated zero interest in finding out how many extra people are really dying because of COVID-19.
But we do know that death certificates are inflating COVID-19's true death toll. Just like those early false claims that it was “34 times” more deadly than the flu when even Dr. Fauci now quietly admits their fatality rates are exactly the same. And just like both those computer models that predicted catastrophes and were ultimately proven worthless.
Moreover, a huge chunk of death certificates must be falsely listing COVID-19 as a cause of death if, as appears to be the case, the virus was spreading a month before we started doing any testing without anyone noticing an unusual number of bodies piling up.
The COVID-19 death tallies we’re seeing are really death certificate tallies and we’ve no reason to trust them. But we’ve every reason to think they’ve got to be significantly exaggerating the real number of people the virus is killing. And there are enough hospital deaths from other causes every day that the directives and financial incentives encouraging false diagnoses only have to cause the virus to appear on a small percentage of ordinarily occurring death certificates to account for most of the deaths currently attributed to COVID-19. In fact, as hard as it may be to fathom, it would be more likely that no one has died of COVID-19 than that the numbers we’re getting don’t significantly over-represent those who have.
Exactly how much COVID-19 deaths are being exaggerated, though, is anyone’s guess.
Again, the population of Sweden is 10.10 million. That is near the population of New York City. 86% of the population live in rural areas.
This needs to be taken into consideration when doing approximations.
I never thought that I would be saying this, but I think we should emulate Sweden’s approach.
For once, they are showing some common sense.
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