Posted on 04/14/2020 12:27:23 PM PDT by Hojczyk
the lockdown has radically reduced ALL FORMS of infection.
All of those may well dramatically reduce the current deaths through most of the rest of the country. It happens in wars too - and even an example of a country switching which side of the road it drove on.
Didn’t NY build a pagan memorial after 911?
Interesting, TY.
Thanks for posting this graphic from Healthweather.us.
Unless I’m misreading the chart, it seems that there is a significant and dramatic drop in all-cause mortality beginning about the 5th week of the year — through the 10th week — beyond which the data stops for 2020 only but the preceding years are fairly consistent.
If the deaths from all causes drop while the deaths for CV19 skyrocket, that would be a cause for concern that more deaths were attributed to CV19 that would have ordinarily been classified for other more mundane causes.
That the lockdown would be the cause for that drop would not be valid in that the people dying, would not be the ones affected by the lockdown — as they would have been already locked down because of their illnesses at a longterm care facility or similar nursing home.
That is the argument against the lockdown — being primarily for those with much less risk. Those at greatest risk, are already in social isolation at such places — since most are seldom visited by others. But if that population is mainly responsible for the drop in mortality, it might be because now they are getting more attention from their caregivers for whom the spotlight is on them.
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No doubt there's a lot of tempting COVID dollars streaming around to pick up.
Just take the Soros view, "If I don't pick up those dollars, someone else will!"
These are real people with a track record of finding verifiable documents and facts:
Is there a like citation for the 5253? How was that number derived, and was it available in a like amount of time?
Flu numbers have a variety of sources, and are calculated - not counted. Without knowing their source, it’s hard to tell if they are comparing the same things. BTW, here’s how hinky they are in the UK: https://straightstatistics.fullfact.org/article/flu-deaths-triumph-statistics-not-virology
Outbreaks also happen in surges and don’t follow annual bell-curves, so week-by-week counts need more than direct comparison. Outbreaks usually are done with in February, but occasionally peak as late as May or as early as October. What were they each of the three weeks before?
It’s interesting information, but needs to be pinned down to form a conclusion.
As for the plane-crash joke, that style of thing at least is clearly not happening. The folks had to at least have had symptoms correlating to the recorded underlying cause of death (UCOD) as part of the evaluation. There is a review process for cases where the cause of death is ambiguous.
Go ahead, bite the Big Apple, don’t mind the maggots.
By the way, I did find this on a quick search:
https://www.madisoncounty.ny.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/430
It shows at least a couple of examples of week-to-week drops of 100% of health providers reporting ILI cases one week, and 20% the next, as well as a different chart comparing years and showing comparable differences in positive test results for flu both between some years, and week-to-week during the same year. 2016-2017 had a doozy of a spike and drop.
WHY IS NEW YORK HARDEST HIT?
Check out the so-called hot spots. Seems they are mostly Democrat strong holds. Coincidence, I don’t think so.
I can’t tell if we are on the same page or not.
Maybe you never worked in a healthcare setting but you should know that if there is a money stream opened for a certain cause celebre, HMOs and financial desks at clinics and hospitals are going to open an account for it, they are going to be all over it.
I don’t think you’re naive but it seems you’re missing that part of human nature.
And no, it’s not a small thing.
I’ll give an example that is commonplace in this war of revenue between government and healthcare workers.
Doctors.
Doctors have patients turn 65 who are now forced by law to be on Medicare insurance. If they are able to pay for extra, or are otherwise independent, that’s one thing but most that work under employee sponsored health insurance are auto-enrolled on Medicare when turning 65. Other Freepers can correct me but that’s the general picture and paradigm of the past many decades.
Doctors will have a patient panel in the thousands, say 2,000, maybe as low as 1,200 or lower, with some as much as 3,000 or higher.
If 5% to 10% of a patient panel are 65 or older. doctors and their office staffs can handle it with minimal problem. But they start to learn about bureaucracy that medicare reimbursements can be weird and whacky. They submit a bill for an annual exam including x-rays and the medicare reimbursement comes back at them at 50% of what they billed and yet, they are not overbilling, at least not yet.
Another thing they learn is that Medicare will on occasion not pay at all because the bill has things on it that are ‘not necessary’. To a young but responsible doctor, he/she begins to be aware there’s a faceless government worker out there somewhere calling him/her a liar, but they stay polite because they are still young and idealistic. The doctor goes to his/her office and calls to get things cleared up. So time on the phone becomes a problem, and it’s not a small amount of time.
And so on.
As a doctor’s patient panel grows from 10% medicare to 25% medicare, the time and frustration with medicare administrators grows to the point the doctor starts thinking about selling the practice.
When the patient panel reaches 40% to 50% medicare, the prospects of selling the practice? forgeddaboudit.
The only way a doctor can escape the problem of a growing medicare panel portion is to sell the practice and start over. They are not allowed to abandon medicare patients from their practice. Yet the clinical costs are not supportable from losing end reimbursements.
Doctor’s justifiably become angry as they can’t earn a living and pay their employees.
So they start padding.
The whole clinic starts padding.
They pad the bills because they want to keep their jobs and because the ding dong medicare administrators are sitting fat, dumb, and happy with year over year federal pay raises that trickle down everywhere except to the clinics. And the medicare administrators who are contracted to administer for the federal government are paid a percentage of how much they ‘catch and recover’. Wonderful system, wonderful business model, just wonderful, puke. And Hillary Obama want this for all of us.
In the USSR, surgeons were paid the same salaries as taxicab drivers. What did human nature do about that? Black Markets and bribes. Give the doctor a bottle of French Bordeaux or a pair of jeans smuggled in from the West and the doctor will see you. Back in 70s, 80s, Beatles albums worked even better.
But they don’t break the law when padding. It’s just they will find every last thing possible to put on the bill. Even if it was a two minute consultation about the patient’s relationship with their cat or dog because that’s part of the patient’s psychological ‘well-being’. But the two minute consult needs to be marked for 7 minutes on the bill because the two minutes was for talking, and the other 5 minutes are to record all the legally required records.
So they pad the bill increasing the bill by 100% and then stick it to the faceless medicare bureaucrat who then reimburses them at a 50% rate. The outcome is the clinic got what it needed had it been reimbursed 100% on the original bill that was not padded.
So there it is, human nature adapted to justifiably fleecing its government.
Along comes COVID dollars, what do you think is going to happen? You better believe the bum who is dying on the street is dragged into the clinic or waiting room, and is diagnosed with corona beer overdose.
The only positive benefit seen in this arrangement is that doctors and clinical staff become Republicans, that is until they see Republicans start to act like Democrats.
Maybe you never worked in a healthcare setting but you should know that if there is a money stream opened for a certain cause celebre, HMOs and financial desks at clinics and hospitals are going to open an account for it, they are going to be all over it.
You aren’t trying to “steal” 20 deaths among 150 to pad your accounts. You’re trying to steal 400-500 out of the 20 of 150, and those numbers just don’t work. Heck, make it whatever number you want out of the 150, and it *still* doesn’t work.
Due to the lockdown that NYC non-Covid pool to pull from is likely down below 120, but that’s another debate.
Good response, it’s clear now.
> “while important to squash “
Never said it should ot should not be squashed. It’s human nature.
Look at the title again:
WHY IS NEW YORK HARDEST HIT?
That’s the question that is answered by $$$.
Now it’s clear you are defending, and I think rightly so, that the $$$ motive is not entirely without merit.
There are several agendas here that dovetail together and reverse and then cut each other, then reverse and dovetail again and so on in cycles. So it’s difficult if not impossible to see who is wearing which uniform (at the first battle of Bull Run, the Union and Confederate armies wore blue, imagine how hard it was to know who to shoot). In general, this is known as the ‘fog of war’.
Leaving aside the $$$ dimension, an improper agenda is the Left wanting the COVID deaths to be as high as they can be to justify a continued lockdown.
The hospitals are using the $$$ they need to solve problems created over decades of municipal mismanagement and lack of support with the side effect of inflating the COVID deaths which is what the Left wants.
So the twitterverse and all social media venues are populated by people screeching at NYC hospitals. Don’t worry about that. The screechers are not yet aware the hospitals need more $$$ with the admonition to not inflate any COVID deaths, federal emergency support to cure for now their budget woes while being truthful with what they do.
Screechers need to agree the NYC hospitals are on our side but we need to help them by supporting massive funding without condition except for larceny and embezzlement, IOW fiscal accountability while increasing the reimbursement rates, add to rates across the board, not just COVID.
Screechers are going to be pissed because nearly all their lives the federal and state governments have been taxing them heavily without much in return, just a lot of aggravation. They need to wake up to the financial genius of Donald Trump.
What I say next will seem crazy but it’s not.
Give the hospitals and clinics more $$$, give them so much they won’t know what to do with it all. Hold to account for improper abuses, but give them more $$$ however it can be packaged, hazardous duty pay, frontline defense pay, pay for their families in terms of extraordinary measures needed to keep their families from being infected, keep whatever pay forms can be created and set only one condition, be truthful and accurate.
Do this because of another agenda. That agenda is to take down the Federal Reserve and finish them off for good, replacing their worthless piece of sh*t federal reserve note currency with Treasury-issued US Notes indexed to gold. US Notes were the national currency before the Federal Reserve came into being. This is a whole other subject but this President understands it deeply. It’s going to take another several years to see this accomplished.
Without writing an epistle on taking down the Federal Reserve, I’ll leave this one note. The President, before he scraps the Federal Reserve, is going to have them set a negative interest rate policy that is going to wipe out the national deficit, begin reversing the public debt, and reduce taxes to levels that Americans alive today are too young to remember.
I’m writing this to you to arm you with some whacky arguments which you will need to study and refine so that you can defend public frontline workers who have to lie, cheat, steal to survive and stay in the business of saving lives. They shouldn’t have to lie. They should be able to do their jobs with dignity.
The plans to reform the banking system are going to give them so much $$$, they will never need in their lifetimes to go ‘off book’ to keep their important publicly needed business going.
To get into this argument, you need to convince yourself that it has been the Federal Reserve and their hold on Congress which has caused financial problems for everyone including NYC hospitals. Once you study that and convince yourself, you will be much more optimistic and aware of what needs to be done and how life can be better.
Looks like the topic has veered off course but again the title is “WHY IS NEW YORK HARDEST HIT?” and the answer is the numbers are inflated because the hospitals need $$$, so the topic of economic ideology is relevant. We have to go to the root of these problems.
We need not give up capitalism. The problem is not capitalism, the problem is we don’t have capitalism, we have OLIGARCHY (look up the definition). This OLIGARCHY is the Federal Reserve’s creation. The solution is we need massive amounts of capitalism backed by sound money. We need to show the Bernies of this world for the scammers they are.
Until this all comes to pass, stand back and watch a war unfold with people shooting each other from every angle. Eventually, warriors get clear on who and who is not on their side.
Sidenote: During WWII, the top brass of the American military and powerful influences in Congress spent more time fighting and arguing with each other than they did with fighting the actual enemy. Again, this is part of human nature. We see it playing out now again but there is one dimension now that has no clear analogue in WWII, that is the media is controlled by the PRC, from money from the PRC, with agents trained in building propaganda channels. The Trump Administration has wisely addressed this with ordering investigations into foreign influence into our news media industry.
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