Roseland Hospital phlebotomist: 30% of those tested have coronavirus antibody

Chicago City wire ^ | Apr 9, 2020 | By Staff reports

[Jane Long]

In a statists dream come true world, for sure.

[lepton]

A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.

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She’s got a 50-100% margin of error?

[lepton]

Why? You are far more likely to get the truth from “a nobody” who deals with the nitty gritty than that high govt official you have so much faith in.

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Look at how vague the numbers she is saying are. This sounds like a SWAG, not actual information.

[Jane Long]

Agree....let’s use what she’s (this phlebotomist) is using, across the country.

If she can extract this info, why not let her replace the midget, up on the Task Force dais?

[lepton]

Yeah, it doesn’t make sense. It’s also unclear. So they are testing everyone for infection and antibodies, so that some people are both?
Also, they research study done on the German town showed 14%, and that was a town hit harder and earlier than Chicago.

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The numbers for this Chicago references are wildly vague, not an actual assessment at any local level.

They are also of a subset - those whose blood was taken there (somewhere), and whose results she heard back (from some source).

If you ignore the first, and assume the second is comprehensive and accurate, it is saying that there appears to have been only about twice the number of serum cases at whatever point in time as active cases...some of which might have been active cases.

[ebshumidors]

Does the nasal swab test tell if you have antibodies or only if you currently have it?

[AppyPappy]

They do a blood test outside?

[ROCKLOBSTER]

400-600 per day tested? If it’s a 10 hour day and 500 per shift that is one every 1.2 minutes. Not likely.

Well, it's Chicago.

If there are 400-600 providers doing the tests, that's only one each per day.

[walkingdead]

Herd immunity is well on its way. Here in small Roseville CA a wellness center claims they tested 32 people. 3 had the antibodies and all three reported being sick in 2019 not 2020.

And you know what that means..... that we in CA had this run through long before any protective precautions were in place. No run on the hospitals, no dead lining the streets..... The fact of the matter is, we shut everything down for nothing.

[lepton]

And you know what that means..... that we in CA had this run through long before any protective precautions were in place. No run on the hospitals, no dead lining the streets..... The fact of the matter is, we shut everything down for nothing.

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So why, do you propose, is what is happening in NYC happening? Why is there a huge surge in dead now when there wasn’t then? Why are they showing defined symptoms now that they were not then? Where are the masses of CT-scans from last fall showing the characteristics?

[walkingdead]

And how would you show antibodies if you never came in contact with the virus? Remember all three in this small study were sick in 2019 not 2020.

If this claim is true then these people came in contact long before any preventive measures were in place. No run on hospitals, no body bags lining the streets.

This would also explain CA numbers, or lack thereof. CA ran the course, hopefully before shelter in place slowed the herd immunity curve.

[walkingdead]

As if by magic......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3834474/posts

[lepton]

And how would you show antibodies if you never came in contact with the virus? Remember all three in this small study were sick in 2019 not 2020.

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They would of course had to have come in contact with the virus - and has been broadly noted, that contact need not result in actual symptoms. Being sick in 2019 does not prevent them from coming in contact with the virus in 2020.

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If this claim is true then these people came in contact long before any preventive measures were in place. No run on hospitals, no body bags lining the streets.

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Again, the simplest explanation is that it isn’t so. Either way, you’d still have to explain what is happening in NYC - they’d be bound to notice the daily death rate rising from 150/day to over 500/day - and the lack of CT-scan results as has widely been observed everywhere else. One would expect people to remember cases from last fall and pull the scan results then show everyone. That hasn’t been happening.

[walkingdead]

I think we would both be astonished at some of the deaths in NY that were attributed to covid.

I believe covid was in CA late November/early December, at leastin the north state. The simple reason the numbers did not jump is because during our run everyone just thought it the flu.

[walkingdead]

Essentially what I am saying is that during our run no one was going to the hospital at the first sign of anything. Quite the opposite for those places hit AFTER the crazyness had begun.

[lepton]

As if by magic......
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3834474/posts

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Thank you. It is a horribly sourced piece, that cites the CDC while not giving any information *from* the CDC, and not differentiating between two cases maybe found and a million cases found.

That said, it is interesting and worth watching, as with the mess on the Iceland reporting.

[lepton]

The simple reason the numbers did not jump is because during our run everyone just thought it the flu.

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Again, COVID has symptoms. NYC had over 500 deaths per day this past week that it attributes to COVID, instead of its normal flu-season peak of about 160/day. Those are not numbers close enough to be confused. With those numbers, they’d have been flipping out at the normal flu.

[lepton]

Essentially what I am saying is that during our run no one was going to the hospital at the first sign of anything. Quite the opposite for those places hit AFTER the crazyness had begun.

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I understand what you are saying, however there were a couple of hundred thousand folks who actually went *into* the hospital for severe flu symptoms this past fall/winter. A chest x-ray or CT-scan is common to confirm for pneumonia, and even were it not, some portion of the 80 million CT scans and many more x-rays which are performed every year would be adjacent enough and of the chest to have picked up the characteristic signs.

It might be possible at first that they could have confused the result with SARS or MERS in some cases, but then they’d have flagged those up to the CDC and would have performed confirmations thereafter - and at the least we would have been reading about a possible SARS or MERS outbreak before they differentiated this disease from those.