I read a comment on another forum (about 10 days ago) suggesting if someone had Cystic Fibrosis, for example, and died after seasonal flu virus complications, the cause of death is normally been listed as “CF” – not the flu. But the cause is potentially being reversed for CoVid cases – now CoVid virus is potentially listed as primary cause of death - not the deceased’s serious underlying medical condition. If this happens, it means we can’t compare apples to apples (i.e. viruses to viruses). Not a fluBro - but I was born in the morning –just not THIS morning. Any information or corrections would be appreciated. Thanks.
Why not in breaking news!
I am with you, 1000%. I am convinced this is a total hoax. Anything the mainstream media is pushing is totally to get rid of our president. They will never give up
I share your concerns as a retired hospital financial analyst. The old games people play routine. Lies, damned lies, and statistics thing. Yet as another freeper on another thread stated: Occam’s Razor stipulates that you do not test the dead when resources are scarce.
In case you haven’t seen this…
Data Manipulation Right Here at Home?
On the other hand, looking good…
US deaths BETTER THAN "Best Case" on April 5
I find that the most accurate way of assessing the situation is to look at small states. Read the local hometown newspapers, which give detailed information regarding individuals who have died from Covid. Virtually everyone is in their 80s or 90s, and had multiple underlying conditions. By contrast, The media focuses on the 1% of Covid deaths that allegedly involved individuals who had no pre-existing medical conditions. In the small states, many of the dead were individuals in hospice care.
And you posted this messation in newsation because of inflation of self-promation.
Do patients die BECAUSE of covid19 or do they die of other conditions WITH covid19.
If there’s an agenda (and there is), I can with near 100% certainty tell you how things are coded.
There will undoubtedly be funds squandered, pilfered and mis-applied.
I put that in my basket of things I cannot control, so it’s not worth my time worrying about
Free ventilators! Free masks, gowns, anything you ask for! Free new hospital! Overtime reimbursed! Free free free! Just keep the death numbers up!
follow the money
A good friend, 82 with borderline diabetes, overweight, recovering from a hip replacement this past summer.
Recently, he had lower respiratory problems, slight temp/fever and feeling really tired went.
He went to our local hospital and was quickly admitted.
He was put in the CV ward (2 beds) Wed., shortly after he was admitted.
His tests came back negative for CV, and he was allowed to come home Saturday/yesterday. His daughter is a nurse, and he is now at her home.
She said that he just knew that he had CV, since he was admitted to the CV icu.
When he found out that he didn’t have CV, he said “Get me out of here in good Navy words!”
He was discharged and put on an oral antibiotic for his pneumonia.
It will be more easy to classify the cause of death as a Covid-19 death. That is what is being reported (and misreported) now. But how many of the deaths are CAUSED by, how many are INDUCED by, how many are ASSOCIATED with, and how many are UNRELATED to - we don't know but we do need to know.
The federal government is spending money like a sailor on a bender. We can spend the money to know. We need to tie some of the state's reimbursements to verifiable autopsies results and/or use military resources to conduct the autopsies.
Let me illustrate, we had no financial need to “up diagnose” in the government clinics. But certain diagnoses qualified for treatment and services and some did not. It was not unusual to see a diagnosis of Major Depression or even Bi-Polar I that had been made “benevolently.” Another, several years after a university hospital had conducted a study of adolescent Bi-Polar disorder it was quite common to meet individuals with no clinical presentation of that disorder, and no hospitalization or significant treatment. Unfortunately, once a diagnosis is given, parents or patients are sometimes reluctant to part with it, more so if there are rewards for keeping it.
It will be more easy to classify the cause of death as a Covid-19 death. That is what is being reported (and misreported) now. But how many of the deaths are CAUSED by, how many are INDUCED by, how many are ASSOCIATED with, and how many are UNRELATED to - we don't know but we do need to know.
The federal government is spending money like a sailor on a bender. We can spend the money to know. We need to tie some of the state's reimbursements to verifiable autopsies results and/or use military resources to conduct the autopsies.
Let me illustrate, we had no financial need to “up diagnose” in the government clinics. But certain diagnoses qualified for treatment and services and some did not. It was not unusual to see a diagnosis of Major Depression or even Bi-Polar I that had been made “benevolently.” Another, several years after a university hospital had conducted a study of adolescent Bi-Polar disorder it was quite common to meet individuals with no clinical presentation of that disorder, and no hospitalization or significant treatment. Unfortunately, once a diagnosis is given, parents or patients are sometimes reluctant to part with it, more so if there are rewards for keeping it.
“rent seek “
I hate that term. It’s misleading to the max and libels landlords.
It should be “seeking political favoritism”, or better yet “co-opting politicians” and the politicians counterpart is “influence peddling”. It has nothing to do with “rent” as it is commonly used.
If you’re in an area that isn’t seeing much in the way of CV-19, count your blessings. I’m a freeper about 25 miles north of Detroit, and the county I’m in had ONE case diagnosed on 3/13. We’re now up to 3035 cases, 163 deaths so far.
I understand what you’re all saying about the “cooking the books” thing, and the media is always going to make as much a story as they can. But being just at the fringe of the “thick of it”, believe me this isn’t made up. There was a bus driver the other day (Jason Hargrove) that had a video pointing out a lady coughing on his bus without even covering her mouth. He’s not with us anymore due to CV-19(!!!). There’s plenty more stories where that came from locally. Yes some have underlying conditions, but definitely not all of them. Take this seriously.