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1 posted on 04/04/2020 6:55:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Or, what about hard-hit Italy much reported in the news?  Leaving aside the high percentage of Italy's population that is in the "at risk" age range (over 23%), the nation counts all deaths from whatever causes, where there is a positive COVID-19 test.   

2 posted on 04/04/2020 6:55:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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The above is a good point being made in different ways around the web.

If country A counts people who enter hospital, and country B does more testing of mildly ill people, different counts will result.

Similarly if A counts a death as C19 if C19 is present regardless of cause of death, and B counts it only if C19 was the proximal cause, then it’s hard to compare.

Countries and states are all doing such different things that solid data is almost impossible to have, and yet nobody wants to make a swag guess either. The only thing to do is what we have been doing — trending towards pessimism in the estimate, and adjusting as the data improves (either with quality or quantity or both).


3 posted on 04/04/2020 7:01:34 AM PDT by No.6
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To: SeekAndFind

Some of us seem to recall telling certain people on FR this last month when they were slinging scary projection charts like they were going out of style.

Boy.....that attitude here shifted real quick.


4 posted on 04/04/2020 7:02:17 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: SeekAndFind

Figures don’t lie but liars figure.


5 posted on 04/04/2020 7:03:30 AM PDT by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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6 posted on 04/04/2020 7:05:17 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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Common sense and logic died many years ago. As soon as the socialist indoctrination system was in place the system put all that aside for FEELINGS!

Our children were taught to eschew thinking for emotional feelings. This is apparent in our current predicament. No one is attempting to think logically about this virus. We were shoved into panic by the DNC and their media arm. Only now are some, a very few, looking into what caused it and its ramifications.

No, just destroy the country and we will look into this later. After the destruction is complete.


15 posted on 04/04/2020 7:48:19 AM PDT by JayAr36 (The worthless dispicable party must be destroyed)
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“One of the offshoots of being on the debate team in college, taking graduate level statistics as part of my masters and working as a lawyer, is an awareness of how one can make a case for practically anything, by playing around with evidence, numbers, analysis and language.”

Good observation! This explains the broader phenomenon of why hard it is so hard to change someone’s belief system or world view.

Regardless of what data or argument is presented that goes against your belief system you can always find some other data and/or rationalization to keep believing what you believe. If at a particular moment you can’t you always hold out hope that something will emerge that will support your belief.

This begs the question then of how belief systems are formed in the first place.


18 posted on 04/04/2020 8:05:53 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: SeekAndFind; bert
When the "news" reports new "cases" of COVID-19, thinking people should be skeptical about exactly what they are being told. For example, the now famous headline about the aircraft carrier where the Captain was sacked for raising the alarm about "cases" of COVID-19 on his ship. The truth: 100 crewmen tested positive - with zero "cases" hospitalized -- on a ship of 5000.

Yo, bert.

Models, statistics, liars, lawyers and small shark humpers.

Just apologize for humping Rush's leg, admit you made a mistake, and it will all be over.

27 posted on 04/04/2020 8:58:16 AM PDT by USS Alaska (NUKE THE MOOSELIMB, TERRORISTS, NOW!)
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The author says he “was on the debate team in college, took graduate level statistics, and works as a lawyer.” Next he says “the crisis should not be taken advantage of, nor should politicians manipulate definitions, data and diagnoses to achieve political aims.”

He seemed like a bright fellow up until he began discussion politics and politicians. Clearly he doesn’t understand either.


36 posted on 04/04/2020 12:29:42 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Lies, Damn Lies and Leftist Lies ...

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44 posted on 04/04/2020 3:53:50 PM PDT by elbook
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