“All of Italy’s dead are super-seniors/seniors with serious underlying health issues.”
Nope. Plenty of younger folks getting sick. The claim it’s an old people’s disease is based on the skewed demographics from the early cases and the fact that the weak die faster.
“I have read multiple reports that even before Covid19, if a super-senior was taken to an Italian ER with life-threatening conditions, they were “rationed” out of care. “
The Italian HCS crashed. For them, right now, 60 is “super-senior”. Not that they can really treat anybody right now.
“We don’t do that in the USA.”
Isn’t that what you are doing right now? Let’s get back to work and screw the useless old geezers. That’s even worse, actually. You are willing to actively endanger those useless eaters.
“China has 1.4 billion people, and they have 5,000 deaths. That’s a fairly small number of dead, considering that the flu kills tens of thousands of Chinese per year.”
As stated countless times on countless threads to countless FluBros, the Chinese numbers are bogus. Whether you believe the whistle-blowers from the Wuhan crematoriums or not (at least 200,000 dead), why did China tear up the roads and cordon off Wuhan with the military?
” I am not denying the existence of the China Virus and that, if contracted by an older person with serious respiratory issues it could be fatal. I question whether it is any more deadly than the flu or other pathogens that get passed around.”
The best results from any large scale infection is 13 times as deadly as the flu, at best. So even if it doesn’t crash our HCS once we let it have free reign, and somehow only the same number of people get it in spite of no vaccines or existing immunities, it will still KILL hundreds of thousands. That’s not a bad flu year, that’s a national disaster and will trash the economy by itself. And cost the next election. Neither of which is as important as the loss of lives, short term, but it seems paramount to some.
If you scale the age distribution for this thing to reasonable penetrance levels for the conditions that exist (like 70 to 90%) and overlay that on the population-age distribution for the US population, there won’t be many people over 75, or even 65, left. Saves Social Security and Medicare, I guess.
Numbers out of our state are over FORTY PERCENT in ICU under age 50. I’ve personally confirmed much of that with family members working in the hospitals.
Oh, I know..the FluBros / Ostrich Brigade will claim “FAKE NEWS!!” “Democrat Governor!!!”, “It’s just a plot to get Trump!!”, etc.
Sigh..it’s really getting old. Guess it’s a major denial reflex that some people just can’t get over.
iows, you come in with esophageal varies and test positive for covig, and then you bleed to death from the varices...its the covig that killed you ...NOT!
are you this impassioned over aborted babies?...just wondering....
I won’t respond to your points specifically, but I will point out:
The Diamond Princess cruise ship (quarantined in Japan) had 3,000 mostly seniors as passengers. Less than 800 got the China Virus, and 7 died, all of whom had significant, underlying respiratory issues. That’s less than a 1% mortality rate of SENIOR CITIZENS who actually got infected. Keep in mind that some or all of the 7 dead would have survived had they had access to American hospitals. The bulk of the seniors who were infected had zero or minimal symptoms. A cruise ship is a great petri dish to study how deadly a virus is. It’s confined, and you have very little chance of “social distancing.” A 1% mortality rate on a senior-laded cruise ship (docked in Japan) equates to a VERY LOW mortality rate for Americans who have access to quick, responsive medical care.
Dr. Bird just spoke at Trumps press conference. She didn’t support anything you are saying.