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To: GulfMan
The coronavirus is undoubtedly serious, but all credible reports I've seen so far indicate that it's about as serious as the flu. The flu is not a joke - so far this flu season it's taken over 20,000 lives in the US. But life doesn't come to a stop over the flu. The difference with the coronavirus is that we don't have a vaccine yet.

However, wild estimates by former Obama officials of 1,000,000 deaths in the US are simply not credible. I'll keep washing my hands regularly, and I carry a bottle of Purell and I use it. I am not going to theaters or malls. But I'm not going to join unthinking mobs hoarding toilet paper and bottled water, sorry. If I get coronavirus, I'll isolate myself from family members and get over it like most of the people who've gotten it so far have - I'm not elderly, I have no pre-existing health conditions.

The hysterics will continue to be hysterical and create ridiculous shortages of basic home products - whipping yourself into a frenzy is fun for some folks and profitable for others. But hysteria is hard to sustain and the idiots will calm down sooner or later. Real life is not an episode of The Walking Dead.
42 posted on 03/16/2020 9:06:25 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

80% or better recover from Coronavirus. So even if you get it you’ll likely recover. The idea is to not have everyone with the flu running to be hospitalized unless necessary, as with elderly etc.....and to prevent as much spread as possible.


55 posted on 03/16/2020 9:18:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Let’s suppose, for the sake of argument, that 1 million Americans died. That would be tragic. It would also be 0.3% of our population. 99.7% would still be alive.

Unless, of course, we starve to death because food supplies don’t flow because the government is in panic.


139 posted on 03/16/2020 11:06:00 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

The coronavirus is undoubtedly serious, but all credible reports I’ve seen so far indicate that it’s about as serious as the flu


In raw numbers, the flu is more serious - though primarily because it has already spread. In potential, it appears that treated the same way as the flu the Wuhan coronavirus is considerably more serious.

As simple example, based on the numbers given by China, three weeks after the disease pretty much topped out new infections, they still have 1 in 8 still sick. Their death toll has continued to climb at a higher rate compared to recoveries and is now at a dead/resolved rate of about 4.5% compared to a dead/case rate of about 4%. The flu is typically in the range of 0.04%-0.1% with a particularly bad flu at around 0.2%.

Outside of China and Iran, the numbers are dead/resolved of about 35% (overstated because it takes longer to recover than to die), and a dead/case rate of about 3.6% now. There are assuredly cases which were never reported, but probably not 3-8 million that have made it to the symptomatic point, within the countries with reliable reporting.

In the US last Monday, only 40% of the discovered cases were not linked to known cases. That suggests that despite the issues with testing there were probably no more than 1-2 times the unknown cases as known at that point.

And yeah, the Obama-era folks estimates of a *minimum* of 1 million deaths is completely over the top.

Here’s a study from March 1 that put the fatality rate at 5.5-5.9%. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext

“On this basis, using WHO data on the cumulative number of deaths to March 1, 2020, mortality rates would be 5·6% (95% CI 5·4–5·8) for China and 15·2% (12·5–17·9) outside of China. Global mortality rates over time using a 14-day delay estimate are shown in the figure, with a curve that levels off to a rate of 5·7% (5·5–5·9), converging with the current WHO estimates.”

So far, we’re well ahead of the curve, but we’ll see how it goes. I think many states under-reacted, then over-reacted. Many people didn’t bother to prepare even when it became obvious both the extent of danger the disease represented and that it had broken into the wild, then lost their freaking minds.

I suspect a lot of the mind-losing was what happened in NYC with the guy repeatedly travelling through Grand Central Station, then extrapolated across the country.


165 posted on 03/16/2020 12:14:14 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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