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Current Coronavirus Fatality Rates an Overestimation, Experts Say
Epoch Times ^ | 03/11/2020 | Bowen Xiao

Posted on 03/11/2020 12:15:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: null and void

I looked up the numbers this morning and just going by memory I think there were 1100 cases in the United States and 31 deaths.

With increased testing soon there will be three thousand or four thousand or 10,000 cases in the United States and I say less than a hundred deaths.

The number of cases will make a lot of people happy, and the loan number of deaths it’s going to cause them great anxiety


41 posted on 03/11/2020 2:02:18 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: null and void

I remember back at the time that HIV ‘crisis ‘ was in its earlier stages some medical person in Colorado Springs, who was on the El Paso County payroll, predicted, based on his study of the numbers, that the numbers were going to decrease.

They fired him.

It turned out that he was exactly right he had called it within a couple of months of the peak.

It’s my estimation that we are in the same place today.


42 posted on 03/11/2020 2:05:54 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: LouieFisk

unfortunately unless they really start testing everyone, only the really sick will be tested and that will skew the numbers higher. I actually think a ton of people tested helps because yes the affected number will go up but the severe reported cases will go down as far as percentages.

I think that would actually help calm people


43 posted on 03/11/2020 2:12:02 PM PDT by terart
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To: Balding_Eagle

So you are using the number of sick people as the denominator.

Do that.

Divide the number of recovered (8) by the number of sick (1100) and tell me the survival rate.

Divide the number dead (31) by the number of sick (1100) and tell me the fatality rate.

Do those rates add up to 100%?

Why not, hmmm?


44 posted on 03/11/2020 2:19:03 PM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: null and void

1100 sick minus 8 recovered = 1092 dead?

You’re right, it’s panic time.


45 posted on 03/11/2020 2:22:51 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
1100 sick minus 31 dead = 1069 sick people who you are absolutely certain will ALL survive?

Pathetic.

46 posted on 03/11/2020 2:30:47 PM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Secret Agent Man wrote: “Yes but many japanese and koreans live in densely packed areas and in multi-unit buildings, so there’s additional factors to consider.”

The NYTimes reports some 63.5% of cases in Korea can be traced to one church which practices prayer in close proximity.


47 posted on 03/11/2020 2:31:43 PM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: Balding_Eagle

Also most people get percentages by division, not subtraction.

I think when you and I were kids, that was taught in 4th grade. It’s probably college level math now...


48 posted on 03/11/2020 2:32:40 PM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: LouieFisk

I am going with the South Korean numbers (massive testing program...7,755 cases, 60 fatalities, 288 recovered so far) resulting in a “for now” death rate of 0.77%. So if COVID-19 gets to 35 million cases in the USA like an average flu year (highly unlikely this flu season/year) then potential US fatalities from COVID-19 are 269,000. But by next year we should have a vaccine (or 2 or 3). So for me COVID-19 is “a bad flu causing a lot of pneumonia esp. in older folks, am going to practice social distancing & lots of hand washing”.


49 posted on 03/11/2020 2:35:53 PM PDT by Drago
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To: null and void

Some of the 1100 maybe sick for weeks. By that time there will be many many more sick.

Maybe even five or ten thousand more.

If you want to wait for all of those to resolve that’s up to you. I prefer to go with what we know today.


50 posted on 03/11/2020 2:39:21 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Interesting. Close quarters, in any variety of ways, fosters spread of disease. Also fires, but thats another thing.

And that’s what dems and libs want, people to not live in standalone houses, but be racked and stacked on each other with shared ventilation and sewer lines and large common use areas.

It basically is a comtrol thing, a comfortable cage/prison that you pay to live in.


51 posted on 03/11/2020 2:47:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: null and void

I had no issue with your response, just making my own clarifications. :)


52 posted on 03/11/2020 2:49:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Hope they're not sharing the same A/C...


53 posted on 03/11/2020 3:08:40 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: jeffc

RE: Anyone hear of any estimates how long this will last? When do the “experts” think this thing will burn itself out?

SEE HERE:

https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/coronavirus-going-to-hit-its-peak-and-start-falling-sooner-than-you-think/

China is the origin of the virus and still accounts for over 80 percent of cases and deaths. But its cases peaked and began ­declining more than a month ago, according to data presented by the Canadian epidemiologist who spearheaded the World Health Organization’s coronavirus mission to China. Fewer than 200 new cases are reported daily, down from a peak of 4,000.

Subsequent countries will follow this same pattern, in what’s called Farr’s Law. First formulated in 1840 and ignored in ­every epidemic hysteria since, the law states that epidemics tend to rise and fall in a roughly symmetrical pattern or bell-shaped curve. AIDS, SARS, Ebola — they all followed that pattern. So does seasonal flu each year.

Clearly, flu is vastly more contagious than the new coronavirus, as the WHO has noted. Consider that the first known coronavirus cases date back to early December, and since then, the virus has ­afflicted fewer people in total than flu does in a few days. Oh, and why are there no flu quarantines? Because it’s so contagious, it would be impossible.


54 posted on 03/11/2020 3:56:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Me too! ;)


55 posted on 03/11/2020 4:07:49 PM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: Balding_Eagle

IOW, the more sick people there are, the lower you think the fatality rate is and will be.

Got it!


56 posted on 03/11/2020 4:14:04 PM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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Where would a 15 year old kid get antibodies to a novel virus.

Sometimes when you read these articles you have to go to the end in order for the “stupid” to spill out on the floor.

Americans are so desperate to find a loophole in this situation, something to support their angle, they will listen to people make ridiculous statements like 15 year olds and younger having immunity—as if they were born with the “upgraded” immune system.


57 posted on 03/11/2020 4:18:18 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Secret Agent Man; DugwayDuke
HERE's HOW THE VIRUS WAS CONTRACTED IN THE USA AS AT MARCH 11,2020:

SOURCE: NEW YORK TIMES

How Virus Was Contracted Cases
Cluster connected to a community in New Rochelle, N.Y. 113
Personal contact in U.S. 73
Nursing facility in Kirkland, Wash. 57
Travel overseas 45
Diamond Princess cruise ship 43
Travel in Egypt 39
Travel in Italy 30
Business conference in Boston 29
Travel within the U.S. 25
Grand Princess cruise in March 21
Grand Princess cruise in February 20
Travel in China 15
Hospital in Vacaville, Calif. 3
Connected to Port Everglades in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. 3
Connected to Episcopal church in Washington, D.C. 3
Nursing facility in Stanwood, Wash. 3
Travel in Iran 2
Travel in South Korea 1
UNKNOWN 665

58 posted on 03/11/2020 4:20:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

Korea and Japan are very densely populated countries. The US, not so much.


59 posted on 03/11/2020 4:22:11 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: null and void

Yes, finally you get it.


60 posted on 03/11/2020 4:25:44 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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