I am surprised and disappointed in you, Travis
You hijack this thread with your ‘Sky is falling’ hysteria
Have you considered that the American people have been so inundated with conspiracy theories......Presidential persecutions and witch hunts......innuendo, lies and more for almost 4 years.....we are tapped out
We are weary
The millions and millions who support our President see this as ‘never let a crisis go to waste’ from the Democrats and Deep State and media who hate us!
If there ever was a REAL crisis.......what makes you think we would believe it
Boy cries wolf
I don’t believe this is a real crisis, but a real virus manufactured into a crisis
I believe it is some level of a virus that has been ratcheted up to hysteria
Our President and his team try to keep the people calm AND informed
I am fed up to here with those who call him a liar!!!!!
Every single country in the world is in on this conspiracy? Every single news agency in the world? Friend and foe?
This is a real crisis. The medical systems of every country in the world where this virus takes root overwhelms and destroys their healthcare system. No healthcare system in the world can handle the amount of critically ill people that this virus generates. That's why governments globally are trying to slow or stop it. It's an economy killing virus.
Read these two links, and get back to me. It will take you 5 minutes, ten if you are a slow reader.
Italian hospitals are in meltdown.
If you are over 65, or at any age if you have any co-morbid condition (diabetes, heart cond. etc), you are put outside the treatment triage. There simply are not enough staff or ICU beds or lung machines for all. You will not get into ICU, no oxygen intubation, you will just die. This is why Italy’s death rate is so high.
I think the USA will resemble Italy, not S. Korea or Taiwan, where they got way out in front of CV with massive early testing programs, early contract tracing, quarantine and social isolation EARLY.
In the USA, we missed those critical weeks and months of preparation.
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(From the beginning of the thread reader, link to it all is below.)
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From a well respected friend and intensivist/A&E consultant who is currently in northern Italy:
1/ ‘I feel the pressure to give you a quick personal update about what is happening in Italy, and also give some quick direct advice about what you should do.
2/ First, Lumbardy is the most developed region in Italy and it has a extraordinary good healthcare, I have worked in Italy, UK and Aus and don’t make the mistake to think that what is happening is happening in a 3rd world country.
3/ The current situation is difficult to imagine and numbers do not explain things at all. Our hospitals are overwhelmed by Covid-19, they are running 200% capacity
4/ We’ve stopped all routine, all ORs have been converted to ITUs and they are now diverting or not treating all other emergencies like trauma or strokes. There are hundreds of pts with severe resp failure and many of them do not have access to anything above a reservoir mask.
5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are starting to get sick and are emotionally overwhelmed.
6/ My friends call me in tears because they see people dying in front of them and they con only offer some oxygen. Ortho and pathologists are being given a leaflet and sent to see patients on NIV. PLEASE STOP, READ THIS AGAIN AND THINK.
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PART TWO
Now wait a minute. Matt Bracken (Travis) made one post and there followed many replies scolding him for posting it. I don't think that is hijacking on his part.
That being said, I do not completely agree with Bracken here. And I suspect that coronavirus occurred too early to put a Dem in the White House.
There is no use trying to have a dialog or reason with Travis. He is a man with a mission. Like the global warming alarmists he pushes models and graphs without understanding that there are underlying assumptions that can be wrong. There are a couple other sky is falling posters who piggy back. They are oblivious to history of prior outbreaks where very dramatic courses were predicted and actual cases were less than 10% predicted, often much less.
A reminder about projections for the last Ebola outbreak was posted by dynoman yesterday.
This was the original projection of Ebola spread rate at current trend by Apr 2015
World Apr, 2015 - Infected: 332,177 Dead: 199,306
Numbers for the USA starting with patient 0 in Texas
Apr, 2015 - Infected: 21,020 Dead: 14,714 If ROI: 3.47
Apr, 2015 - Infected: _2,088 Dead: _1,462 If ROI: 2.6
These are the numbers of people that were actually infected Actual world total April 28, 2015
April, 2015 - Infected: 14931 Dead 10905
Actual US
April, 2015 - Infected: 4 Dead 1
Source; http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/case-counts.html
We will have to take sensible precautions to lower risk and wait & see how this outbreak develops. All of the other countries infections showed the normal curve of sharply increasing cases a small plateau and then diminishing cases over a few weeks. I doubt the USA will be different.
Note the_ above are to make the columns line up.