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You Know Who Else Colonized Land From ‘Indigenous Peoples’? Native Americans; White persons are not always the aggressors
The Federalist ^ | 03/05/2020 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 03/05/2020 7:30:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
After aquiring horses from the early Spanish conquistadores and learning to ride the Comanches were the most effective fighters/horsemen ever. Their raiding parties killed and chased the Apache far into Mexico. When US troops fought them the US troops dismounted and tried to kill them with single shot rifles while the Comanches remained on horseback and overwhelmed them by shooting 3 or four arrows to every shot that could be reloaded by the US cavalry. A great book about this is - Empire of the Summer Moon: Quanah Parker and the Rise and Fall of the Comanches, the Most Powerful Indian Tribe in American History. I recommend this book to all my Texas friends. It's a real eye-opener.
21 posted on 03/05/2020 8:18:20 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life :o)
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To: Leaning Right
The Ohio River Valley was the former home of all the Siouxian tribes. I say former and not original because they likely came from somewhere else before.

Evidence points to the upper James River Valley near the present location of Lynchburg, Virginia. They were likely pushed there by the more aggressive Powhattan related tribes.

Anyway, about 1430 a.d. or so, the Little Ice Age was evident in the northern region and the Huron (among others) moved down from Canada to press the Siouxian tribes to move on. Not being as aggressive, they did so.

The first group or Mandan band, over the course of the next century or so, made the long trek to the Knife River Valley south of present day Mandan, North Dakota. They picked this spot not only because of the fertile soil which reminded them of their Ohio River Valley homeland but because it was isolated enough that they figured they'd be left alone for at least a century or two, which they were.

The other Sioux tribes didn't want to go this far and stayed in present day Minnesota where they were eventually pushed further west by the Chippewa (from Canada) and the white man. The Chippewa actually did more killing and displacement of the Sioux, but you'd never know that by reading revisionist history.

In fact, the revisionists would like you to think they came from the lower Mississippi River Valley (a partial truth, at best, since the Ohio empties there) and moved north. However, the Mandan have a long tradition of facing their dead toward the Ohio River Valley, which makes it harder to blame whitey for the displacement.

22 posted on 03/05/2020 8:27:07 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Yes, Empire of the Summer Moon is an excellent book. It even touches briefly on the condition of the Comanche before the Spanish conquistadores brought horses.

The Comanche were a very marginal tribe in the Wind River area of present day Wyoming and were barely surviving. Closely related to the Shoshone in language, they decided to move to the warmer climate of Texas once they became master horsemen.

23 posted on 03/05/2020 8:35:04 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Leaning Right

They were a warrior culture. To pretend otherwise is dishonest.


24 posted on 03/05/2020 8:36:24 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: SeekAndFind

And slaves

And torture

And gang rape and sexual humiliation

Comanches were really good at it

Their women did most of the torture ..imagine that lol


25 posted on 03/05/2020 8:42:32 AM PST by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: SeekAndFind

There was also a charmingly common practice of torture, slavery and cannibalism heaped on the victims of Native American aggression in North America.

They were cultural norms over much of the continent, before the blessings of Christianity and the European enlightenment spread among them.

You are welcome.


26 posted on 03/05/2020 8:44:02 AM PST by BeauBo
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To: desertfreedom765
> They were a warrior culture. To pretend otherwise is dishonest. <

Right. Pretty much every culture in those days - white, red, black, etc. - was a warrior culture. But that doesn’t fit the PC narrative, of course.

And as for the Aztecs - who ripped the hearts out of living captives - today’s PC crowd would have you believe that the Aztecs were just a simple, happy people. Sorta like the Quakers.


27 posted on 03/05/2020 8:45:31 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Leaning Right

Scholars consider their temples to be one of the great mass murder sites in the world.

It is estimated that over time millions of people were killed in their religious ceremonies.

Cortez did the world a great favor in overthrowing the Aztecs.


28 posted on 03/05/2020 8:52:52 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: Leaning Right
Sorta like the Quakers.

Well, Quakers with bloody knives holding still beating hearts
29 posted on 03/05/2020 8:54:03 AM PST by Karma_Sherab
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To: SeekAndFind

Indian on Indian is kind of like Black on Black in modern times..
Doesn’t really count.
The obsessed racialist loony left and the race baiters hope it never ends.
If blacks stop killing each other many on the left are out of a lucrative gig.


30 posted on 03/05/2020 9:01:08 AM PST by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Hopi were terrified of the Navahoe as one example. Native history is complex and to see them as a single group is historically incorrect and pandering. When the Puritans landed the natives there were seeking an alliance with the settlers against their own foes.


31 posted on 03/05/2020 9:07:50 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: IronJack

Exactly!

In the early 1700’s, the Cheyenne took the Black Hills from the Kiowa.

In 1776 the Lakota Sioux defeated the Cheyenne in war and took the Black Hills from them.

About 100 years later the US did the same to the Sioux.

Why does the first conquest confer legitimate title and the second doesn’t?


32 posted on 03/05/2020 9:08:07 AM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: blueunicorn6

Apparently the natives around the area of the Californian redwoods did a lot of cut and burning. So much so that the forest there now is LARGER than the days before the white man,


33 posted on 03/05/2020 9:09:39 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Leaning Right

The Aztecs were hated universally by the tribes they held in tribute. Cortez managed to unite those tribes in defeating the Aztecs.


34 posted on 03/05/2020 9:10:52 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Leaning Right

https://www.cbc.ca/history/EPCONTENTSE1EP2CH5PA5LE.html

Iroquois’ destruction of Huronia


35 posted on 03/05/2020 9:28:47 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: SeekAndFind
Who Were The Si-Te-Cah

"Lovelock, Nevada, is about eighty miles northeast of Reno. It was in a cave near here, in 1911, that guano miners found mummies, bones, and artifacts buried under four feet of bat excrement. The desiccated bodies belonged to a very tall people - with red hair."

36 posted on 03/05/2020 9:50:52 AM PST by blam
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To: SeekAndFind

Unless the plot of land you’re sitting on was uninhabited when the current owners got there someone killed someone else to get it in the past.

The lands that are currently the United States were fought over and killed over countless times over the last 15,000 years or so. White men were just better at it than the “native americans”, we put an end to all the killing.


37 posted on 03/05/2020 10:10:49 AM PST by GaryCrow
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To: SeekAndFind

Silly argument.

Modern treaties are not invalidated simply because people hundreds or thousands of years ago warred against others.

Following this argument, civilization is not valid because some ancient people were not civilized.


38 posted on 03/05/2020 10:17:43 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is solving the world's problems only to distract us from Russia.)
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To: SeekAndFind
There are NO "native Americans." We all of us are immigrants, some of us just got here before others.


For that matter, no Homo Sapiens are native to anywhere except the Garden of Eden or Africa's Great Rift valley, depending on which creation story you fancy,

39 posted on 03/05/2020 10:31:37 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: wardaddy
Comanches were really good at it

Their women did most of the torture ..

So Liz Warren should have claimed to be Comanche?

40 posted on 03/05/2020 11:15:56 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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