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To: Bull Snipe; jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp; central_va; SecAmndmt; woodpusher
>>Bull Snipe wrote: "The reference to Democratic underground was because, like you, they like to call people names."

You mean like the pejorative "Lost Causer"?

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>>Bull Snipe wrote: "What words of praise did Mr. Spooner have for The Confederate Government."

The word "confederate" is mentioned only twice in the book I quoted, and in both cases regarding the "confederates in crime" of the Lincoln dictatorship:

"The Constitution itself, then, being of no authority, on what authority does our government practically rest? On what ground can those who pretend to administer it, claim the right to seize men's property, to restrain them of their natural liberty of action, industry, and trade, and to kill all who deny their authority to dispose of men's properties, liberties, and lives at their pleasure or discretion?..."

"Not knowing who his principals are, he has no right to say that he has any. He can, at most, say only that he is the agent of a secret band of robbers and murderers, who are bound by that faith which prevails among confederates in crime, to stand by him, if his acts, done in their name, shall be resisted."

"Men honestly engaged in attempting to establish justice in the world, have no occasion thus to act in secret, or to appoint agents to do acts for which they (the principals) are not willing to be responsible."

"The secret ballot makes a secret government; and a secret government is a secret band of robbers and murderers. Open despotism is better than this. The single despot stands out in the face of all men, and says: I am the State: My will is law: I am your master: I take the responsibility of my acts: The only arbiter I acknowledge is the sword: If anyone denies my right, let him try conclusions with me."

"But a secret government is little less than a government of assassins. Under it, a man knows not who his tyrants are, until they have struck, and perhaps not then. He may guess, beforehand, as to some of his immediate neighbors. But he really knows nothing. The man to whom he would most naturally fly for protection, may prove an enemy, when the time of trial comes."

"This is the kind of government we have; and it is the only one we are likely to have, until men are ready to say: We will consent to no Constitution, except such an one as we are neither ashamed nor afraid to sign; and we will authorize no government to do any thing in our name which we are not willing to be personally responsible for."

[Lysander Spooner, "No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority Vol VI." Published by the Author, 1867, pp.27, 29]

Spooner speaks as least as harsh of the Northern cronies and enablers as he does the Southern slave-holders:

"For the first seventy years of the government, one portion of the lawmakers would be satisfied with nothing less than permission to rob one-sixth, or one-seventh, of the whole population, not only of their labor, but even of their right to their own persons. In 1860, this class of lawmakers comprised all the senators and representatives from fifteen, of the then thirty-three, States."

"This body of lawmakers, standing always firmly together, and capable of turning the scale for, or against, any scheme of robbery, in which northern men were interested, but on which northern men were divided,—such as navigation acts, tariffs, bounties, grants, war, peace, etc.,—could purchase immunity for their own crime, by supporting such, and so many, northern crimes—second only to their own in atrocity—as could be mutually agreed on."

"In this way the slaveholders bargained for, and secured, protection for slavery and the slave trade, by consenting to such navigation acts as some of the northern States desired, and to such tariffs on imports—such as iron, coal, wool, woollen goods, etc., — as should enable the home producers of similar articles to make fortunes by robbing everybody else in the prices of their goods."

"Another class of lawmakers have been satisfied with nothing less than such a monopoly of money, as should enable the holders of it to suppress, as far as possible, all industry and traffic, except such as they themselves should control; such a monopoly of money as would put it wholly out of the power of the great body of wealth-producers to hire the capital needed for their industries; and thus compel them—especially the mechanical portions of them—by the alternative of starvation— to sell their labor to the monopolists of money, for just such prices as these latter should choose to pay. This monopoly of money has also given, to the holders of it, a control, so nearly absolute, of all industry—agricultural as well as mechanical— and all traffic, as has enabled them to plunder all the producing classes in the prices of their labor, or the products of their labor."

"Have you been blind, all these years, to the existence, or the effects, of this monopoly of money?"

"Still another class of lawmakers have demanded unequal taxation on the various kinds of home property, that are subject to taxation; such unequal taxation as would throw heavy burdens upon some kinds of property, and very light burdens, or no burdens at all, upon other kinds."

"And yet another class of lawmakers have demanded great appropriations, or loans, of money, or grants of lands, to enterprises intended to give great wealth to a few, at the expense of everybody else."

"These are some of the schemes of downright and outright robbery, which you mildly describe as "the large variety of diverse and competing interests, subject to federal control, persistently seeking recognition of their claims in the halls of national legislation "; and each having its champions and representatives among the lawmakers."

[A letter to Grover Cleveland, May 15, 1886, in Lysander Spooner, "Let's Abolish Government: An Original Arno Press Compilation." 1973, pp.19-20]

When are you going to come to grips with the fact that many of the slave generations in the South were descendants of slaves sold by Northern slave masters and traders, and that the North got rich both trading slaves, and later via protective tariffs and crony-capitalist "internal improvements" financed on the backs of the Southern slaveholders?

Don't be deceived by sanctimonious sectionalists. Slavery was a national problem.

Mr. Kalamata

157 posted on 03/07/2020 10:06:19 AM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Kalamata

“When are you going to come to grips with the fact that many of the slave generations in the South were descendants of slaves sold by Northern slave masters and traders, and that the North got rich both trading slaves.”

Don’t need to. Was taught that more than 50 years ago.
Yes the New Englanders made money trading slaves. Yes the Boston, New York, and Philadelphia bankers financed the slave trade. They made money insuring the cotton cargos bound for Northern or European textile trades. They made money in shipping the cotton crop to New England and Europe. They made money loaning money to Southern planters to buy more land, and more slaves so they could grow more cotton.

“Slavery was a national problem.”

Agree


158 posted on 03/07/2020 10:21:16 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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