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To: dp0622; daniel1212

Perhaps daniel is looking to show that the military strength differential is narrowing, and that, as always, God decides who is more evil. He is not at all pleased with the lukewarm (hypocrites).


12 posted on 02/15/2020 3:44:34 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel; dp0622
Perhaps daniel is looking to show that the military strength differential is narrowing, and that, as always, God decides who is more evil.

And that we must choose be on His side (as Lincoln hoped) as a country far more accountable.

Yes, and in addition, it means that rather than the strict separation btwn the civil and spiritual that seems to be behind the censure of bringing in the supernatural aspect needed for honorable victory in it, even "just" a deist as Franklin advised.

I have lived, Sir, a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings that "except the Lord build they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall be become a reproach and a bye word down to future age. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human Wisdom, and leave it to chance, war, and conquest.

I therefore beg leave to move -- that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that service.

To which can be added more voices of the past, of Washington, of Congressional (1777), John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Samuel Adams, of John Hancock, of James Madison, Patrick Henry, Justice Joseph Story, Elias Boudinot, Abraham Baldwin, John Jay, Benjamin Rush, Abraham Lincoln, Daniel Webster and more, (Sources ) who testified of dependence upon God and debt to him.

Which they could and did do without violating the First Amendment in letter or in spirit, and such serve as the best interpreters of it. For affirmation of religion in general, and the general religion of the people, and expressing need for Divine help and gratitude to the same was not that of establishing a state religion (nor that of conveying that the country was founded as a theocracy as in Islam), the prevention of which was the immediate context out of which the First Amendment arose.

13 posted on 02/15/2020 4:46:28 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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