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Kobe Bryant's doomed helicopter circled for 15 minutes over Burbank waiting for air traffic control clearance in dangerously poor visibility with the 'pilot relying on his eyesight rather than instruments to fly' [tr]
UK Daily Mail ^ | January 27, 2020 | Valerie Edwards

Posted on 01/27/2020 8:02:45 AM PST by C19fan

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To: Beowulf9

Pilot error


41 posted on 01/27/2020 8:47:57 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Some on the ground have reported the chopper’s engine sounded like sputtering just before the crash. Could the southward turn have somehow caused a loss of engine power?


42 posted on 01/27/2020 8:48:49 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: gcparent

But not flying IFR according to ATC. This is why he was trying to find ground landmarks.


43 posted on 01/27/2020 8:51:08 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: Texas resident

RBG
Mr. Peanut


44 posted on 01/27/2020 8:52:38 AM PST by maggief
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To: gcparent

Maybe. Usually they are in close proximity in time.

And Arkancide doesn’t count. It is in a league of it’s own.


45 posted on 01/27/2020 8:53:44 AM PST by Texas resident (Democrats=Enemy of People of The United States of America)
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To: maggief

So, Mr. Peanut, Kobe Bryant and next RBG?


46 posted on 01/27/2020 8:54:30 AM PST by Texas resident (Democrats=Enemy of People of The United States of America)
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To: basalt

Theres a cell phone video of the seconds before impact. Total control loss like tail rotor gone or some equivalent mechanical failure.


47 posted on 01/27/2020 8:55:10 AM PST by know.your.why
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To: Texas resident

Mr. Peanut will be back in a few weeks.


48 posted on 01/27/2020 8:55:49 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

I have acquaintances who live within 5 miles of that area. You are correct. There was thick fog during that morning and they told us this breakfast here at universal.


49 posted on 01/27/2020 8:58:23 AM PST by max americana (Fired ONE libtard at work at every election since 2008 because I enjoy them crying)
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To: DownInFlames

It was not fog but a hazy darkness for VFR in JFK, Jr’s crash. He wanted to arrive before sunset but he departed the airport later than he originally planned which was an error in judgement to proceed.


50 posted on 01/27/2020 8:58:24 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Why would he be flying so low in fog?

Because the pilot was only VFR rated (visual flight rules) and tried to stay below the cloud cover in rugged terrain. As mentioned above that is called scud running. Dangerous as hell.

51 posted on 01/27/2020 8:58:29 AM PST by painter ( Isaiah: �Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: dfwgator

Well, officially Mr. Peanut is not dead yet.

He is scheduled to die in on Super Bowl sunday in the commercial.


52 posted on 01/27/2020 8:58:54 AM PST by Texas resident (Democrats=Enemy of People of The United States of America)
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To: C19fan

News Chopper pilot on KFI Yesterday.

Kobe’s chopper circled the zoo under dire4ctiong of controllers at Burbank while tow flights landed. The controllers have the say when you are in or near the flight pattern for their airport and planes taking off o landing.

When the flights landed, the controller gave clearance to cross into the San Fernando Valley through space in the flight pattern for Burbank.

After that it was the responsibility of the pilot to fly or not fly in accordance with what he faced regarding fog and visibility. It is not the controllers responsibility to follow the chopper out of their space and tell the pilot whether he can see well enough or not.

Calabasses and the west Valley are out of Burbank control and not in the patterns for LAX.


53 posted on 01/27/2020 9:00:10 AM PST by olesigh
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To: 1Old Pro
Poor visibility is a problem for small craft,

Totally false. An aircraft that was certified for IFR and had a pilot flying under an IFR flight plan would not have had a problem. Size is not the issue. This most likely was a case of a pilot in over his head in weather conditions he should not have been flying in because in all likelihood he and/or the aircraft was not instrument rated.

54 posted on 01/27/2020 9:00:46 AM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: Texas resident

Hillary and Bayrack?


55 posted on 01/27/2020 9:01:32 AM PST by Howie66 ("...Against All Enemies, Foreign and Democrat.....")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Both engines are required for proper operation. Loss of one engine may allow continued flight at the initial altitude, especially with more than 60 knot forward speed. Gives more options than auto-rotation to pick a spot to settle—unlikely enough power to achieve a hover except in ground-effect.

Once upon a time caught rides with the Fort Rucker graduates plying their skills over the GOM.


56 posted on 01/27/2020 9:03:48 AM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Texas resident

And then after the “outrage”, they’ll bring him back.


57 posted on 01/27/2020 9:04:05 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Why would he be flying so low in fog?

The ADSB data from flight tracker seems to indicate that the pilot tried to climb out of the fog, but then perhaps lost control and crashed.

You can look at the flight data here

It is a very sad situation.

58 posted on 01/27/2020 9:04:26 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: know.your.why
The video is fake, or more accurately, not of the Kobe crash.

https://fox13now.com/2020/01/27/fake-video-claiming-to-show-footage-of-kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-prompts-online-outrage/

59 posted on 01/27/2020 9:06:00 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: xrmusn

Isn’t 9 passengers (8 plus the pilot) on a helicopter rather high? I don’t know about the particular make and model Bryant was on.


60 posted on 01/27/2020 9:07:48 AM PST by scrabblehack
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