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Virginia Anti-Gun Activist Caught in Hoax
Twitter ^ | 1/25/2020 | Joseph Sakran

Posted on 01/26/2020 10:24:40 AM PST by thoughtomator

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To: Bommer

So someone had to break into his garage to put on a half assed ANTIFA like production. If he is a doctor, he is a stupid doctor!

And would you want a STUPID doctor to operate on you? I sure as hell would not.

If you can’t even cover up a bullshit little lie, you have no business being a doctor.


41 posted on 01/26/2020 2:43:48 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Ban Carbon Dioxide! It's twice as bad as Carbon Monoxide!!!)
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To: thoughtomator

Well that certainly changes things. Do you have a link that corroborates what you stated?


42 posted on 01/26/2020 5:34:43 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Right Wing Assault

See post 34. It that post is accurate it changes everything, and just may be the proof I was seeking. While there were red flags with the story, it was no where near a slam dunk as you claim. All that was there were people who pointed out concerning bits of information, but nothing conclusive. Post 34 changes that significantly, if true. Rushes to judgement goes against everything our justice used to stand for. I still believe in that, though I realize I am a vanishing breed, sadly.


43 posted on 01/26/2020 5:40:22 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-cr-sakran-death-threat-20200126-xacxbm74xjc4hk7umb3ppgrlja-story.html


44 posted on 01/26/2020 7:12:29 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: thoughtomator

Well not quite the smoking gun I was hoping for, unfortunately. While he does state he replaced it back on his windshield, it still does not mean he was behind it in the first place. However, it does answer the inconsistency associated with the picture. But I still remain unconvinced of either his guilt or his innocence. But since I believe in innocent until proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, I have to side with innocent, and that it was not a hoax.


45 posted on 01/26/2020 7:25:17 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: thoughtomator

btt


46 posted on 01/26/2020 7:35:35 PM PST by Jane Austen (Neo-cons are liberal Democrats who love illegal aliens and war.)
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To: Robert DeLong

It’s hard proof that the first photo was staged.

Add to that that he only admitted this AFTER being caught out.

This therefore proves that at least part of his story was intentional misrepresentation.

At this point it’s no longer reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt on the rest, especially since we are talking about a high-profile, long time anti-gun activist (proof of motive and malice).

If he filed a police report with the initial claim as-is, he’d be looking at jail time right now.


47 posted on 01/26/2020 7:39:25 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: thoughtomator
I will add this though regarding his explanation. If he placed it on his window as it was originally, with the picture exposed, I do not think he would have just grabbed it and set it inside his car without viewing it to begin with. The saying on it could also be construed as an anti-gun leaflet just as easily as a pro-gun leaflet that is targeting him specifically. By that I mean it could also mean legal gun ownership is near its end. Not that his life is near its end, and a gun would be the cause.

All that being said though does not convince me that he hatched and carried out a hoax. Because as I said, there is no clear evidence of it being so. Though it certainly can be construed as such. There is just no evidence to confirm either theory. With the absence of that I have to fall in the innocent until proven guilty theory, since that should still be the criteria we use.

48 posted on 01/26/2020 7:48:04 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Now consider that the photo was taken inside his garage.

The “dog that didn’t bark” is the absence of a claim or photo regarding a break-in to the garage.

It’s a hoax. He’s caught. He’s in trouble, big time.


49 posted on 01/26/2020 7:52:50 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: Robert DeLong

Just try to come up with a scenario where the second pic, the one with the pristine flyer with just one crease, can possibly exist, if his revised story is true.

It can’t be. That flyer can’t have fewer creases AFTER being removed from his car than before.

The only logical explanation is that the second photo came before it ever touched his car. Nothing else fits the evidence.


50 posted on 01/26/2020 7:55:04 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: thoughtomator
This therefore proves that at least part of his story was intentional misrepresentation.

I certainly agree with you there, however, it still does not prove that it is a hoax of his doing. As a trauma surgeon, he has reasons for being anti-gun, especially with him having been a victim of gun violence on top of it.

If they can match the flier to a printer that he has access to, then that would be strong enough evidence to most likely secure a conviction. The system being what it is you never know what a verdict will be anymore with a case.

51 posted on 01/26/2020 7:57:15 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: thoughtomator

It could be an illusion, due to angle etc. It could also be that he made a copy. Right now I think the printer angle is the best evidence to work with. If the printer can be matched to a printer he has access to, well then he has some real explaining to do.


52 posted on 01/26/2020 8:00:05 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: thoughtomator

This surgeon— Johns Hopkins based, was at some point in his life, shot in the throat. Survived to become a surgeon. Ok— so for real a gunshot target at one point.

BUT, now— he puts a made up single sheet “threat” on his own windshield in his own garage.

Totally utterly false, faked up badly. He is a liar.


53 posted on 01/26/2020 8:03:39 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: thoughtomator

So in summary, this is a hoax hoax.


54 posted on 01/26/2020 8:08:03 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Robert DeLong

There’s nothing to charge him with since he never went to the police.

Which itself is VERY strong evidence in support of a hoax.

If he believed there was a real threat, he goes to the police and files a report so it can be tested for fingerprints and otherwise forensically examined.

His behavior is wholly inconsistent with perception of a real threat.

I admire the stubbornness of your skepticism, but it is no longer reasonable to be skeptical. If he filed that report he’d go to jail for a false report, and that is why there is no police report.


55 posted on 01/26/2020 8:14:01 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: thoughtomator
I agree, it casts suspicion on his claims, but that too proves nothing. I also doubt he ever took it as a credible threat. the likelihood that it is a hoax is as strong as the likelihood that it is not. to me, the whole story is a waste of tim, no matter how it is viewed. 8>)

I am at 50/50, and liken it to a he said she said that was brought up years after the act took place. Don't know who or what to believe, nor do I care much now. 8>)

56 posted on 01/26/2020 8:25:42 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

getting you to 50/50 feels like an accomplishment


57 posted on 01/26/2020 8:26:39 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: thoughtomator

That’s where I always stood actually. I just stated I had no evidence to confirm it to be the hoax being claimed. I also said I can’t discount it being a hoax either. No evidence to support either theory. 8>)


58 posted on 01/26/2020 8:41:20 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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Now I feel like you completely wasted my time, as any reasonable person would be more than convinced under the weight of this evidence that this is definitely a hoax.


59 posted on 01/26/2020 8:45:08 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: thoughtomator
Sorry about that, but there is no smoking gun for either theory, yet there are compelling reasons to doubt it just the same. Those who are strongly on one side or the other are there because they believe what they want to believe, period. I unfortunately can't fall on either side, regardless of what I may personally want to believe, if you get my drift. 8>)

Just the way I'm wired I guess. For I believe in the ideal of innocence until proven guilty. Until I see evidence, I refuse to allow my biases to rule the day. So take comfort knowing that I want to believe, but what I want is not enough, for me personally. Since in the scheme of things it is not an issue that will have long legs, it is best to note it and move along. The fact that it is questionable suffices. 8>)

60 posted on 01/26/2020 9:03:31 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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