I’m not finding Jay as easy to follow. He’s kind of lost me. It could be me though - I may need another coffee.
Some of the lack of ease in following Jay is his using too many pronouns. Sekulow knows which person he is quoting but saying he, they, him too many times gets confusing to listeners. Repeating a person’s name mayy be awkward in your speech, but it makes complicated statements much easier to understand on hearing.