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To: Bob Ireland

Sumeria gets the nod because it produced the earliest writing system that can be read (more later if desired). Samuel Noah Kramer noted that the names for the major rivers and even the cities in Sumer didn’t have Sumerian names, but thanks to the characteristics of cuneiform (which the Sumerians did invent) and a cultural quirk (they believed that cities were never founded by humans, but by the gods), they preserved tiny bits in transliterations of otherwise vanished languages.

By their own account, the Sumerians arrived by sea. They called themselves “the black headed people” (I guess, complexion problems ;^) and their accounting systems and writing systems endured a long time (it was in use in multiple cultures, languages, eras, for at least as long as we’ve been using the alphabetic system). Sumerian literature survived in translation and adaptation among the Akkadians, a Semitic people who lived alongside and gradually became much like the Sumerians. The Sumerian language continued to be written and probably spoken among the learned class for a long while after the Sumerians themselves ceased to be a discernable people.

The Elamites were the big dog in the area of Iran long before the Persians. They too had a written language, but it’s still obscure (I don’t think a large preserved archive has been discovered). The Harappan script is also pretty old, but hasn’t been cracked to the satisfaction of anyone but the individual translators — there’s been no bilingual texts discovered, which may be a permanent problem and stumbling block.


57 posted on 01/09/2020 10:22:43 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
***Sumeria gets the nod because it produced the earliest writing system that can be read***

True; I have Akkadian and Assyrian dictionaries, but my Sumerian is strictly a phonetic rendering {for example: http://sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf} IIRC Sumerian is NOT Semitic, not pre-Semitic; although perhaps related to the Akkadian and Assyrian - my memory is foggy.

***Samuel Noah Kramer noted that the names for the major rivers and even the cities in Sumer didn’t have Sumerian names***

I feel a little bit sheepish, but Kramer and I had a bone of contention. It had to do with the Sumerian word ME {or Mi}. He identified it as a somewhat untranslatable divine concept; I translated it as 'Who?'. It gets a little complicated, but it opens the possibility that the priest class may have believed in the 'one god' concept. The Sumerian Dictionary defines it: divine power, attribute, office.

***(they believed that cities were never founded by humans, but by the gods)***

Don't tell George Tsoukalos! :^)

***The Elamites were the big dog in the area of Iran long before the Persians. They too had a written language, but it’s still obscure (I don’t think a large preserved archive has been discovered). The Harappan script is also pretty old, but hasn’t been cracked to the satisfaction of anyone but the individual translators — there’s been no bilingual texts discovered, which may be a permanent problem and stumbling block***

Interesting. Again, if I studied all that my memory is epoxied. I wish I had the time now.

62 posted on 01/09/2020 11:28:49 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: SunkenCiv
One of the three languages on Darius' Behistun inscription (telling how he became king of the Persian Empire) is Elamite. So at least the writing used during that period has been deciphered.

"Parthians and Medes and Elamites" are among the people present in Jerusalem on Pentecost day who were able to understand the apostles in their own language (Acts 2.9). The Elamite language eventually died out but not until the Middle Ages, I think.

63 posted on 01/09/2020 11:28:50 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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