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To: Zuriel
I assume this graph addresses what you were referring to:

They describe the graph as such:
"...(Graph of relative flexibility and cost of power plant technology. Flexibility is on the x-axis and costs is on the y-axis. Both low: nuclear and coal. Both Medium: combined-cycle gas turbines and coal. Both high: simple-cycle turbines. Low cost and high flexibility: hydroelectric)

The minimum run time and ramp times determine how flexible the generation source is; these vary greatly among types of plants and are a function of regulations, type of fuel, and technology. Generally speaking, plants that are less flexible (longer minimum run times and slower ramp times) serve base load energy, while plants that are more flexible (shorter minimum run times and quicker ramp times) are better-suited to filling peak demand. Table 5.2 and Figure 5.3 show approximate (order-of-magnitude) minimum run times and ramp times for several generation technologies. It is important to realize that, in some sense, these are "soft" constraints. It is possible, for example, to run a nuclear plant for five hours and then shut it down. Doing this, however, imposes a large cost in the form of wear and tear on the plant's components.

The cost structure for transmission and distribution is different than for power generation, since there is basically no fuel cost involved with operating transmission and distribution wires (and their associated balance-of-systems, like substations). At the margin, the cost of loading a given transmission line with additional electricity is basically zero (unless the line is operating at its rated capacity limit). Capital cost thus dominates the economics of transmission and distribution..."

For my part, I fully appreciate the rigors of modern life and use of power, so I am more amenable to power sources that don't fluctuate due to lack of wind and sunlight, but I have no problem with those kinds of energy sources (especially if I don't have to have my tax dollars used to subsidize them to the degree they currently are)...I also would have less of an issue with windmills and acres of solar panels if they could deliver all the time on demand...I could live with that.

Perhaps someday there will be a good way to store energy from those types of sources to be used during those slack times they are prone to.

40 posted on 12/31/2019 2:05:20 PM PST by rlmorel (Finding middle ground with tyranny or evil makes you either a tyrant or evil. Often both.)
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To: rlmorel

No, I had no graph in mind. But thanks for the info anyway. I just know from watching the wind turbines while trucking near them, that simply feathering the prop blades shuts one down in a couple of minutes.

As one that was raised on a nw IL farm, and farmed until 47 yrs old, the area 30 miles east (Henry Co.) just doesn’t fit the view I would want to see everyday: wind tubines.

There was talk of more coming to the west (southern Mercer Co., where I lived). I wasn’t thrilled to hear that. But now in the wooded hills of SE Lewis Co TN, I’m not worried about my view being ruined any more.


52 posted on 12/31/2019 3:30:57 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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