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To: jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp; Bull Snipe; DoodleDawg; BroJoeK; eartick; Kalamata; ...

Revolution- a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system:

Secession-the action of withdrawing formally from membership of a federation or body, especially a political state:

Two different meanings. The founding fathers revolted, they never claimed anything else or expected England to just let them go. So did the southern rebels but they claimed to be legally leaving by secession. A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution.


995 posted on 01/23/2020 3:03:12 PM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran
Two different meanings. The founding fathers revolted, they never claimed anything else or expected England to just let them go.

Yes. England wasn't founded on the principle that people have a right to independence.

But we were.

So did the southern rebels but they claimed to be legally leaving by secession. A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution.

Everything needing to be said on the topic was said 11 years earlier when they signed the Declaration of Independence.

But while we are at it, New York, Virginia and Rhode Island explicitly asserted the right to leave in their ratification statements. Massachusetts and Connecticut asserted the same right during the Hartford convention in 1814.

There is more proof that secession is legal than there is that it is not.

997 posted on 01/23/2020 3:17:25 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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“The founding fathers revolted, they never claimed anything else or expected England to just let them go. So did the southern rebels but they claimed to be legally leaving by secession. A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution.”

That is an interesting comment.

Can you show me in the Declaration of Independence where you find the word revolted? Or rebellion?


1,001 posted on 01/23/2020 3:36:33 PM PST by jeffersondem
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