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To: jeffersondem; BroJoeK; DoodleDawg

There is a huge moral difference on basing your society on slavery, and forming a nation that happened to have slavery when it was founded. Of course you seem blind to that and relentlessly try to establish some kind of moral equivalency between America and the confederacy. I suppose you think the internment Of Japanese Americans during world war 2 was equivalent to the Nazi concentration camps? If you do your even more delusional than I had thought.

And let’s not forget that the founding fathers passed the northwest ordinance in 1787 that prohibited slavery in those territories. They also created the Constitution that allowed states to outlaw slavery. In fact from my knowledge of history our country was the first to outlaw slavery anywhere within its borders. Heck Vermont abolished slavery in 1877, before the constitution was even ratified. Then followed Pennsylvania (1870), Massachusetts(1781), New Hampshire(1783), Connecticut(1784), New York(1799), and New Jersey in 1804.

So the founders created a Constitution that allowed for slavery to be ended. In fact they were so embarrassed by slavery they wouldn’t even use the word in the Constitution!

Not so the confederate constitution. They used the word many times and did the exact opposite of what our founders did. They made it impossible to end slavery.

Article I Section 9(4)
No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

And further made it impossible for any new state in the confederacy to outlaw slavery. Again, the direct opposite of what our founders did.

Article IV Section 3(3)
The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several states; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form states to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress, and by the territorial government: and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories, shall have the right to take to such territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the states or territories of the Confederate states.

But you keep peddling that snake oil that America was morally the same as the confederacy. I’m sure you’ll find some suckers to buy it. I mean you did.

Also please don’t be offended by my use of our founders. From your replies on these threads I get the impression that you might not think of them as yours, heck, you might not think of yourself as an America even. It seems you’d be much happier identifying as a confederate and that might be why your so upset that the Republicans took away your chance to have slaves.


675 posted on 01/14/2020 10:27:37 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran; DoodleDawg; jdsteel; eartick; Kalamata; Who is John Galt?; DiogenesLamp; central_va; ...

“So the founders created a Constitution that allowed for slavery to be ended.”

The founders did something much more important than that: they created a Constitution that allowed for slavery to be ended peacefully - through an amendment process that would not spill one drop of blood.

And yet, Lincoln “fought to free the slaves.” Before the war, Northern congressmen to my knowledge, never introduced an amendment to end slavery in the United States.

They never even tried. And that includes Lincoln when he served in Congress.

Let me anticipate your response: they did not introduce an abolition amendment only because it was not in their own economic and political best self interest.


678 posted on 01/14/2020 11:06:01 AM PST by jeffersondem
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