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To: OIFVeteran

>>OIFVeteran wrote: “Then what the hell does forever mean to you?!?”

I am not sure. What the hell is the context?

Mr. Kalamata


647 posted on 01/13/2020 9:13:52 PM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Kalamata; OIFVeteran
"...what the hell does forever mean..."
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"The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union"
I don't know how long "forever" is,
but "perpetual" lasted for 6 years...1781-1787.
648 posted on 01/13/2020 9:31:46 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: Kalamata
Alexander Hamilton was at the New York constitutional ratification convention. As you now they wanted to adopt ratify the constitution but conditionally. The condition being that Amendments would be adopted after ratification, if these amendments weren't added with a specified time then New York's ratification would become null and void. Alexander Hamilton wrote to James Madison about this. This is Madison's response. From James Madison to Alexander Hamilton

N. York Sunday Evening [20 July 1788]

My Dear Sir

Yours of yesterday is this instant come to hand & I have but a few minutes to answer it. I am sorry that your situation obliges you to listen to propositions of the nature you describe.(here he is referring to the conditional ratification) My opinion is that a reservation of a right to withdraw if amendments be not decided on under the form of the Constitution within a certain time, is a conditional ratification, that it does not make N. York a member of the New Union, and consequently that she could not be received on that plan.(if they ratify with this condition they will not be a apart of the Union under the constitution) Compacts must be reciprocal, this principle would not in such a case be preserved. The Constitution requires an adoption in toto (here he is saying that the whole constitution must be adopted, no conditions on it. If you want to amend it you must do so after it's adopted and through the process as proscribed within it), and for ever(once adopted it is permanent). It has been so adopted by the other States.(The other states have adopted the constitution in toto and forever) An adoption for a limited time would be as defective as an adoption of some of the articles only. In short any condition whatever must viciate the ratification. What the New Congress by virtue of the power to admit new States, may be able & disposed to do in such case, I do not enquire as I suppose that is not the material point at present. I have not a moment to add more than my fervent wishes for your success & happiness.

James Madison

657 posted on 01/14/2020 4:59:03 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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