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To: Kalamata
I don't know. I wasn't there.

You don't know a whole lot, do you?

I can speculate that full orders would be shipped to the Southern ports, while partial orders would be received in Northern ports, split, and forwarded. But that is only speculation.

If full orders were shipped to Southern ports then the tariffs would have been collected there once the goods landed, right? Yet in the year prior to the rebellion the busiest Southern port, New Orleans, recorded $2.1 million in tariff revenue while the busiest Northern port, New York, recorded over $35 million - seventeen times as much. If the vast bulk of the imports were destined for Southern consumers, as you claim, then why didn't they go to Southern ports? Why were they landed in New York?

I believe the Philadelphia editorial alluded to that: foreign ships would unload their cargo where the tariffs were much less, and then distributed, perhaps some via smuggling.

Have you stopped to think just how stupid that argument is? Thousands of tons of goods worth millions of dollars smuggled into the North how? Load it into wagons and send them up the interstate? In 1860 goods moved by ship or rail or they didn't move very far at all. It makes zero sense to believe that goods destined for Northern consumers would enter in through Southern ports just to be taxed twice. Doesn't it?

The word "supineness," in this context means "failing to act."

We will add 'rewriting the dictionary' to the long list of things you seem to consider yourself an expert at.

But I see your point: the South should have never trusted the Yankees.

Perhaps they did because they couldn't trust themselves to do the job properly or efficiently or cost-effectively?

It was not the "North's" fault -- it was crony-capitalists in government. If there has been a consistent and uniform tariff all along, as well as uniform support of infrastructure, it is doubtful there would have been a secession, even with the fugitive slave issue.

Oh please. Take away slavery and leave every other reason you care to name and the South doesn't secede. Leave slavery and take away every other reason and the South does. Any fool can see that.

This is the full editorial:

You use editorials as if the information in them was carved in stone and carried down from Mount Sinai. They are opinions, often with limited or highly biased basis in fact. I could, without much trouble, post a dozen of editorials basically stating Trump is the most corrupt leader since Nero and should be impeached and removed from office forthwith. That doesn't mean I accept the opinions that they offer as God's own truth and indisputable fact. I look to evidence, facts, figures, and what's true. You are swayed by anything that fits your agenda.

1,290 posted on 01/31/2020 2:59:41 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg; OIFVeteran; jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp; rockrr; Bull Snipe; HandyDandy
>>Kalamata wrote: "I don't know. I wasn't there. >>DoodleDawg wrote: "You don't know a whole lot, do you?

I know at least one thing: I know I wasn't there.

Mr. Kalamata

1,295 posted on 01/31/2020 1:11:32 PM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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