1499: Edward, Earl of Warwick, the last Plantagenet claimant

Executed Today ^ | November 28th, 2019

[fieldmarshaldj]

*ping*

[rainee]

Mine too
I’ve read all books in that trilogy

[Sloane_Ranger]

Normans are not Gallic "French," but are more correctly decedents of "Norsemen," aka Vikings. They are Scandinavians.

Indeed. Normans or Northmen were Vikings who settled off the coast of France. The ancestor of William the Conqueror was Rollo the Viking. It is ironic that the Saxons kept the various Viking incursions at bay only to ultimately lose the English throne in 1066 to a Viking descendant, William.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Imagine Shakespeare casting you as a villain. What a way to be remembered.

That is what happened to Macbeth.

[bigbob]

Must have been great fun for a kid to pretend to be the King.

You might say he was fake-king it...

(ducking and running)

[mass55th]

"Easy, George was attainted and therefore his son lost his inheritance rights."

John Rous, the medieval historian who died in 1492, claimed that after Richard's son and wife had died a year apart, he'd named Edward Warwick as his heir with Edward's cousin John de la Pole, 1st Earl of Lincoln named as 2nd in line. There has been no proof found that it actually occurred though. Edward was created the 17th Earl of Warwick in 1478 after the attainder, and execution of his father. Richard, Duke of Gloucester had no problem declaring the sons of Edward IV as illegitimate, and usurping the crown for himself. If he had really wanted to see his nephew Edward on the throne instead of himself, I have no doubt he would have been able to get it accomplished.

[Verginius Rufus]

King Henry II was a grandson of Henry I through his mother Matilda. Henry II’s father was a Plantagenet so Henry II was the first Plantagenet king. I don’t know if the Plantagenets also had Scandinavian ancestry. They were rulers of Anjou in France.

[mass55th]

My other Plantagenet connection is through Elizabeth, Duchess of Suffolk, who was the sister of Edward IV, and Richard III. She's my 15th great-grandmother. Her husband was John de la Pole. He was first married to Lady Margaret Beaufort, but the marriage was annulled. She was the mother of Henry VII and grandmother of Henry VIII. John de la Pole's father William, 1st Duke of Suffolk was married to Geoffrey Chaucer's granddaughter Alice. Her father was Thomas. Geoffrey Chaucer is my 18th great-grandfather.

I also have Richard of York, 3rd Duke of York, and Richard Plantagenet of Conisburgh, 3rd Earl of Cambridge as my 16th and 17th great-grandfathers. Richard, 3rd Earl of Cambridge is supposed to be the grandfather of Edward IV and Richard III. The Neville, de Mortimer, de Spencer, Grenville, de Courtenay, along with other names appear in my family tree. It's crazy, and I wonder how factual it all is. They're on my mother's side of the family. She was born in Canada. She's got English, Scottish, and German royalty in her line. Even has de Medici's, Orsini's and Farnese's. Lorenzo de Medici is supposed to be my 15th great-grandfather. I never even knew any of my grandparents. They all died before I was born in 1947, so all of this info has blown my mind.

[FrdmLvr]

I am a direct descendant of the Plantagenets.

[mass55th]

Have you ever seen this article on the real King of England?

The Real King of England: Mile the First Dies in Obscurity in Australia

Several years ago I watched a program that had aired on British TV. It was hosted by Tony Robinson (Black Adder series). It was about the possibility that Edward IV may have been illegitimate, and not rightful King. Here's a link to the full show on YouTube:

Britain's Real Monarch with Tony Robinson

It's pretty interesting.

[Okeydoker]

I stand corrected. You are right. Victoria’s father was in line, about fourth or fifth, then he died and his brother, vics uncle, became king leaving the succession to Victoria on his death.

[mass55th]

I also found this article from 2014 regarding a break in Richard III's male DNA line:

Does Richard III's DNA question Queen's right to the throne? Hunchback king's genetic comparison with distant cousins reveals an illegitimate child in royal family tree

[kalee]

for later

[Okeydoker]

Mostly correct. They are not french as we think of the French and Normandy was a territory that continually over time went back and forth between England and France. The normans were from Normandy but not at that time considered proper French.

[Verginius Rufus]

Of course they could say Henry VII's right to the throne was by right of conquest (winning the battle of Bosworth Field in 1485), just as William the Bastard became king of England by virtue of winning the battle of Hastings. There was a taint of illegitimacy in the Tudor line anyway--an ancestor had been born illegitimate and later legitimized.

The Wittelsbachs have a better genealogical claim to the throne than the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha line anyway, but also going back to Henry VII.

[Grampa Dave]

Richard “Duke of York” Plantagenet
1415–1495

BIRTH 3 MAY 1415 • Raby Castle, Straindrop, County Durham, England

DEATH 31 MAY 1495 • Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, England
15th great-grandfather

Am I too late?

[lastchance]

Thanks. I’ll have to watch that, it does sound interesting.

[mass55th]

"The Wittelsbachs have a better genealogical claim to the throne than the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha line anyway..."

They're in my family as well as the Hapsburgs, the Dillenburgs, and the Hohenzollerns. Never knew until I had my DNA done that there was any German or Italian in my family. My DNA showed 35% Germanic Empire.

[Larry Lucido]

The Plantagenets were a strange lot.

[lastchance]

It is so easy to get hooked on finding out about one’s ancestors. I started doing research on my husband’s family on his mother’s side just on a lark. I entered a name, which was on a family tree done by his great grandfather, into a search engine and found out all kinds of interesting information. But I also came to some dead ends which is very aggravating.