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To: jacquej

I didn’t say they couldn’t have devastating effects.

I said i doubted she had a stroke at 22 from them and I assume she was a non smoker

Despite your moms pal birth control is used worldwide with very few outcomes like your moms friend

I would point out much like LSD...in the early days docs and pharma thought more was better in birth control

Nowadays birth control pills are much weaker like Yasmin

My wife didn’t like the bloating so eschewed them and she smoked then

We have five kids and woulda 20 if we had married at 1880s rural average in the south...say her 16 and me 19 instead of 32 and 40 respectively

However her bestie since first grade died three years ago at 50 from a cardiac event we assume whether ischemia or arrhythmia we don’t know...she’d complained of stomach and back pain and indigestion

And had high blood pressure

Her and her husband since college didn’t want kids so she too birth control and smoked and drank to effect nightly

She had mild agoraphobia ...boxed wine to leave the house

I shan’t speak I’ll of her she defended me to wifey when wifey was on a tear bitching about me.for some usual male offense

We used to worry the combo of the above was problematic

I think 30 years of birth control and smoking did her in early unfortunately

The morning we heard my rib was running across the pasture behind the house as I was feeding the horses

Low to the ground squalling hysterically

My congenital bad heart flipped a few times my worst fear one of our children was killed...she collapsed in my arms squalling about her pals demise...we just sat there with horses around us discombobulated for an hour as she sobbed

It was a bad time.

I recall being at an airport with my mom when my dad got the call from the FBO that my grandpa had died ...she knew from the look on dads face...she just screamed “daddy..oh no....please say that’s not it.....and sobbed just like my wife did for a very long time”

Hard stuff and we almost all go thru it at some point....sudden severe loss


12 posted on 11/21/2019 10:32:49 PM PST by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: wardaddy

Peace to you, wardaddy. I meant no offense.

We take modern drugs to achieve a specific goal we desire, but some of us end up as unfortunate outlier statistics when these don’t work according to the promising clinical trials.

Not interested in arguing, so let’s drop it.


14 posted on 11/22/2019 12:26:59 AM PST by jacquej ("You cannot have a conservative government with a liberal culture." (Mark Steyn))
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To: wardaddy

Sudden severe loss......

My MIL died at 64 of a brain aneurysm. She was the healthiest of my young son’s grandparents. Such a shock.

My younger brother had a heart attack and was in the hospital for a week. He stayed with us the next week. He had a stroke in our home and passed in a few seconds. I NEVER thought he was going to die. I will never get over it.

Sudden severe loss is unspeakable.


15 posted on 11/22/2019 5:53:54 AM PST by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell..?)
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