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To: DoodleDawg
>>Kalamata wrote: "The tariff issue was on-going. Lincoln's support for a high tariff was very unpopular in most of the South.
>>DoodleDawg wrote: "And yet when Henry Benning of Georgia was trying to convince the Virginia secession convention to vote to join the Confederacy he promised them tariffs as high as U.S. ones were. And then he went a step further: "If it be found that Virginia requires more protection than this upon any particular article of manufacture let her come in the spirit of a sister, to our Congress and say, we want more protection upon this or that article, and she will, I have no doubt, receive it. She will be met in the most fraternal and complying spirit." So obviously tariffs weren't that big of a concern."

That was his opinion:

"Then the question is, will you have protection necessary to accomplish this result? I say I think you will. I do not come here, as I said at the outset, to make promises; but I will give my opinion, and that is that the South will support itself by duties on imports. It has certainly begun to do that. We have merely adopted the revenue system of the United States so far, and are now collecting the revenue under an old law. Our Constitution has said that Congress should have the power to lay duties for revenue, to pay debts and to carry on the government, and therefore there is a limit to the extent that this protection can go, and within that the South can give protection that will be sufficient to enable you to compete with the North. We have got to have a navy, and an army, and we have got to make up that army speedily. It must be a much larger army than we have been accustomed to have in the late Union-it must be large in proportion to the armv that it will have to meet. These things will require a revenue of about 10 per cent, which will yield an aggregate of about $20,000,000, and with this per cent, it would be in the power of Virginia to compete, in a short time, with all the nations of the earth in all the important branches of manufacture. Why? Because manufacturing has now been brought to such perfection by the invention of new machinery. The result will be the immigration of the best men of the North; skilled artizans and men of capital will come here and establish works among you. You have the advantage of longer days and shorter winters, and of being nearer to the raw material of a very important article of manufacture. I have no idea that the duties will be as low as 10 per cent. My own opinion is that we shall have as high duty as is now charged by the General Government at Washington. If that matter is regarded as important by this Convention, why the door is open for negotiation with us. We have but a provisional and temporary government so far. If it be found that Virginia requires more protection than this upon any particular article of manufacture let her come in the spirit of a sister, to our Congress and say, we want more protection upon this or that article, and she will, I have no doubt, receive it. She will be met in the most fraternal and complying spirit." [Henry L. Benning, "Speech of Henry Benning to the Virginia Convention." Proceedings of the Virginia State Convention, Vol.1, pp. 62-75., 1861]

As it turned out, the Confederate Constitution prohibited the promotion of one branch of industry over another, e.g., no crony capitalism allowed:

"[The Congress shall have power] To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises for revenue, necessary to pay the debts, provide for the common defense, and carry on the Government of the Confederate States; but no bounties shall be granted from the Treasury; nor shall any duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry; and all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the Confederate States." ["Constitution of the Confederate States." Avalon Project, March 11, 1861, Article I, Sec. 8.1]

That should have been the original intent of the framers of the U. S. Constitution. Instead we ended up with this sort of mystifying mishmash:

"Imposts, excises, and, in general, all duties upon articles of consumption, may be compared to a fluid, which will, in time, find its level with the means of paying them. The amount to be contributed by each citizen will in a degree be at his own option, and can be regulated by an attention to his resources. The rich may be extravagant, the poor can be frugal; and private oppression may always be avoided by a judicious selection of objects proper for such impositions. If inequalities should arise in some States from duties on particular objects, these will, in all probability, be counterbalanced by proportional inequalities in other States, from the duties on other objects. In the course of time and things, an equilibrium, as far as it is attainable in so complicated a subject, will be established everywhere. Or, if inequalities should still exist, they would neither be so great in their degree, so uniform in their operation, nor so odious in their appearance, as those which would necessarily spring from quotas, upon any scale that can possibly be devised.

"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption, that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit; which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed, that is, an extension of the revenue. When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty, that, 'in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four.' If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them."

[Alexander Hamiltion, Federalist No. 21, "Other Defects of the Present Confederation," Dec 12, 1787, in Bill Bailey, "The Complete Federalist Papers." The New Federalist Papers Project, p.102]

I seriously doubt Alexander Hamilton was that stupid; rather he was hoping everyone else was.

Mr. Kalamata

127 posted on 12/18/2019 8:10:35 PM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Kalamata
As it turned out, the Confederate Constitution prohibited the promotion of one branch of industry over another, e.g., no crony capitalism allowed:

The Confederate Constitution also mandated a supreme court. How did that work out? It basically prohibited the Confederate government from interfering with slavery but that didn't stop Davis from sending emissaries to Europe promising an end to slavery in exchange for recognition. The Confederate constitution was not something the Confederate government had much respect for.

129 posted on 12/19/2019 3:23:00 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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