On both programs Rudy waved around the two recently released affidavits.
George ignored them and filibustered on. Maria brought up the trouble Rudy is in with criticisms coming from Pompeo and Rep. Kennedy and someone else, for talking too much and interviewing everywhere.
Which means POTUS probably wants Rudy out there stirring the water or else he would put a stop to it or soon will.
The President is waiting for the Rats to demand a release. Optics. Only question is, will the rats walk into the trap again?