It was an excellent speech, and only a small portion of it did he deal with the Ukraine issue, but still, the fact that it was in there at all is a response to domestic issues. It's not something that he planned to talk about a few weeks ago when he started working on the speech, I'm pretty sure.
Here is a partial transcript with extended quote from the CBS News coverage of the speech:
I think it's fair to characterize the inclusion of this as "Trump being on the defensive". But, if you don't that's cool. There is an aggressive edge to it: that he still wants Biden investigated. I like that, but it may be too late for him to pursue it.Trump defends temporarily withholding Ukraine aid President Trump, when asked about his decision to block aid to Ukraine shortly before his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, he said he "wanted other countries to put up money."
"We paid the money," he said, arguing that other European countries should help Ukraine with its defenses. "That's been my complaint from the very beginning," Mr. Trump added.
And in language that echoed his sentiment about the 2016 Russia investigation, Mr. Trump decried the Ukraine controversy as a "witch hunt" when addressing reporters shortly before his speech before the United Nations General Assembly.
He again described his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as "perfect" and maintained that he had applied no pressure on him to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden.
"But there was pressure put on with respect for [Joe] Biden's son," he argued. "That's something they should be looking at," he said.
To some extent the Dem strategy seems to be to make the Ukraine issue toxic for Trump, so that he can't use it to harm Biden.
It's seems like a lot of hassle to protect Biden, but I guess he is still the nominal frontrunner.
I think he's not going to hold onto that position much longer, he's just not a very good candidate, and he's got a lot of baggage.
Lie-a-watha looks like the eventual nominee. But still, it's a pack instinct, "Protect Biden".
I think it’s fair to characterize the inclusion of this as “Trump being on the defensive”. But, if you don’t that’s cool.
Ah, how conciliatory!
I’ve been looking forward to your response to ransomnote’s 9/5 post. Since it was addressed to all, perhaps you missed it.
INCOMING! :D
There’s no point in my responding to Jack Black directly as he has an agenda that’s not influenced by information.
I wasn’t going to respond at all because I think most on this thread can spot the distortions in his post, but then I recalled that we have new names popping up as time goes on so I will make a few comments which I hope will be helpful.
Here’s an example - my original remarks were clearly about the accusations leveled at 8ch that they are a breeding ground for mass shooters.
Jack quotes me, “Manifestos were posted on Instagram, livestreamed, Facebook and Youtube. They don’t originate on the chans....”
Then he responds to what I said with, “You can’t say with a straight face that 8chan is no different than Twitter, YouTube or Instagram.”
Did you see that Straw Man argument Jack propped up? I never said that those platforms were all the same, I said that the manifestos didn’t originate on the chans and were posted on other platforms. If you bother to read Jack Black’s posts, look for that distortion technique - it’s one of his calling cards.
Then Jack takes his Straw Man argument out for a walk: “But that doesn’t change that day-in and day-out for years and years 8chan tolerated base anti-semitism, Nazi larping, crude racism, serious advocates of white nationalism, all interspersed with lots of porn.”
THIS is Jack’s response to my comments about manifestos and the idea that 8ch does not incubate mass shooters? Everything EXCEPT the topic of mass shooters? Actually - it’s just him embellishing his distortion. This stroll of Jack’s is made all the more ironic because Jack has been called out a few times now for posting antisemitism on Free Republic. Yes. Really.
Jack said, “8chan had a unique Wild Wild West posting ethos.”
Not really. 8chan has posting rules which state boards hosting illegal content will be deleted. The ENTIRE BOARD hosting illegal content will be deleted. That doesn’t seem like the Wild West to me.
8chan has a free speech ethos. If it’s not illegal, they allow it. This means crazy haters posting next to patriots - the patriots ignore the cray cray. In fact, I think some of them regard the cray cray as a handy KEEP OUT sign - they want people who will disrupt the flow of ideas with complaints to KEEP OUT, even if they personally find the cray cray repulsive. They skip it and read on.
Jack says the content of his Straw Man argument (anti-semitism, Nazi larping, crude racism etc. on 8chan) “...is why, LONG LONG before their internet service providers yanked the rug out from under them, and took them offline (probably forever), JimRob had forbidden content and links from there.”
Actually, until JimRob makes a statement elaborating on his thoughts about this issue, I’ll stick with what I know first-hand. A troll pinged JimRob from one of our threads claiming we were posting 8chan links and asserting 8chan was a known kiddie porn site. All our posts were taken down and I was asked not to post any more Q threads. I explained that we were NOT POSTING 8chan links and all our threads were reinstated. The Mod explained that 8chan links would not be permitted going forward.
I have always thought JimRob was wise to make that decision to restrict 8ch links, although it can be inconvenient at times. Whenever Q comes under particular attack, shills flood 8chan will repulsive kiddie porn and other repellent content - it really becomes a cesspool and then regular readers warn the rest of us, “Stay away! 8ch is under attack and it’s unbelievable what’s being posted! GAH!” At times like those, and during this period of time that 8chan is falsely portrayed as an incubator for mass shooters, Free Republic’s decision not to post links is paying dividends. JimRob deprived anti-conservatives of a stick with which to beat us.
I have read 8chan so I find this comment by Jack silly, “Once the internet czars took the Daily Stormer off line, and succeeded, it was clear that they would go after lots and lots of other sites as the got around to it.” First they went for the Daily Stormer (nazi site) and then they went for 8ch, eh? No, 8chan and Daily Stormer are not equivalent at all. Autists helping WIN the war against the Deep State are in no way similar to Daily Stormer Nazis.
8chan was taken down because Q was posting there and people were being red-pilled. Public opinion was CHANGING (still is) and the Deep State wanted to staunch the flow of information the MSM conceals and distorts, when they are not outright fabricating “FAKE NEWS” to bring down our president.
Instagram, YOUTUBE, Twitter etc. have “standards” against porn, but also against conservative opinion and Q. 8chan had no restrictions on conservative thought and Q - and that’s why so much media attention has focused on destroying 8ch. People can post PRO TRUMP memes and MAGA on 8ch without fear of deletion, shadow banning etc.
Also worth noting, some of these big tech or social media websites do host porn or other objectionable content but don’t admit it. I’d heard that about YOUTUBE from a 17 year old boy I mentor. He’d seen some sick stuff (kiddie porn). I tried to search one of the terms he mentioned and found a profile photograph of a YOUTUBER (male) who was more than “just” naked (particularly proud of his body and excited to show us). I know Amazon hosts or was caught hosting pornography because I recall it came under attack for it. These big tech sites don’t openly reveal content that could hurt the bottom line.
This is the smallest victim card I’ve seen Jack play: “PS: Seeing as I’ve been accused of being a “paid shill” — and I know for sure that I am not — I have come to think that the constant accusation that everyone who has inconvenient opinions is paid opposition is a form of denial.”
Jack’s history on our Q threads is long and tedious. Were I to go out and collect links to all the negative statements he’s made about people who post on the Q threads (not just Q, but people who post on our threads), it would take me forever and you’d find them remarkably repetitive. So repetitive in fact, that you might even call them talking points. Although he has portrayed us and our Q threads as toxic for a very long time now, he still seems to read every post!
He tried to start his Anti-Q thread within our Q thread. He opused off our threads and pushed the Microchip/Posobiec hoax long after both were (easily and thoroughly) exposed as fake news. When his attempts to build a following failed , he came slithering back to our threads. He still includes the following criticism of us on his profile page as of this writing:
Jack: “Q believers found this analysis incredibly irritating, and I eventually chose self-exile from their threads to avoid then endless stream of rude invective and insults directed at me from the believers.”
Get that? On our threads we subject him to an “endless stream of rude invective and insults” and note he calls us “the believers” to portray us as a cult. Yet, he jest cain’t quit us...
Jack is wrong about Microchip
Jack is wrong about Posobiec
Jack is wrong about Q
Jack is wrong about Q threads
Jack is wrong about FReeQs
Jack is wrong about 8chan
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His persistence, consistency and talking point style have led many of us to conclude he is a shill. Your mileage may vary. Perhaps it could just be an unhealthy obsession? :/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3776252/posts?page=748#748